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28 Jul 2020, 11:31 pm

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That said, I do wonder why your parents continued sending you to a catholic school if it was as bad as you claim here...Was it by any chance a boarding school?


My parents, particularly dad, thought I should suck it up. My guess is that I didn't fit in or conform so them making things uncomfortable for me was a way for the school to encourage me to leave their hallowed halls.

After finishing school and I mentioned to my parents all the bullying and teachers giving me a hard time. They just thought I was exaggerating and that I wasted an opportunity and thousands of dollars of their money.

It wasn't a boarding school. That would have been impossible to last 12 years if it was.



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30 Jul 2020, 12:37 pm

I have found out the Oriental orthodox church was rejected in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 CE by the Roman Catholic church and rejection confirmed by the great schism in 1054 CE when Rome and Constantinople went there separate ways.

Because they weren't trinitarian and rejected the trinity.The OO church believed; "Jesus was fully divine in one person"

In the other words they believed Jesus was YHWH or Adonai ( the Godhead of the Old Testament) walking around as a person and there was no trinity.No "Father,Son and Holy Ghost"Jesus was simply God.

That is why the Catholic church deemed the OO church heretical and the Eastern Orthodox church confirmed that when they split in 1054.

That is the difference between Oriental orthodox theology and the trinitarian churches.


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30 Jul 2020, 3:14 pm

Racism is simply "basing your view of a person capabilities on their race". Systemic racism is a pattern of denying racial minorities rights, opportunities and justice.

Everybody is racist. It is the human condition to view outside groups as inferior (or sometimes superior). Anti-Racists are simply people who try to make sure that they are not doing this and are trying to combat their internal and systemic racism.

I am in an inter-racial marriage. It does not make me less racist... that is my work to do.

What it does do, is show me how many aggressively racist people there are out there. I think white people crying about racism against them is stupid.

When Trump started calling it the "China Virus" there were attacks on people who look Chinese, my wife included. She is Vietnamese. She has been told to "Go Home". She loves her adopted country more than many of these so called patriots.

I have dealt with racism against me in both Thailand and Japan. It was uncomfortable but not dangerous to my life. Every culture has racism and racial bias.

You only dismiss concerns about racism if you are ok with it.

I won't ever call you a racist because that invalidates their internal experience and distracts from my own work to not be racist. But, if you say something racist or say that racism does not exist or people are making too big of a deal out of it... I will point that out. It is not a disagreement but the truth. Racism exists, it is deadly, it robs people of dignity and keeps people in poverty.



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30 Jul 2020, 3:22 pm

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However, mainstream catholic schools might be more socially inclusive of non-catholics.


Separate Schools in Ontario seemed fairly inclusive of non-Catholics, there was a kid from a Pentecostal family, another one who was Anglican and I was an unbaptized heathen, but I don't believe that was relevant to my social struggles.


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30 Jul 2020, 9:49 pm

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Racism is simply "basing your view of a person capabilities on their race".


Chain wrote:
I think white people crying about racism against them is stupid.


Chain wrote:
You only dismiss concerns about racism if you are ok with it.


So, to clarify:
* racism is about basing your views of people on their race.
* people of one specific "race" complaining about racism is "stupid".
* racism claims can be ignored by people if they are OK with an action that someone else claimed was racist.

Seems to be something of a racist undertone there, where you imply that the concerns of those of one race should be ignored, or that others can freely ignore racism if they wish.

The claims may, potentially, be less impactful or "severe" (in your eyes), but that does not lessen the impact which they can have on the person\people targetted, and does nothing to improve equality between races. Further, allowing people to see certain actions\treatments are condoned against others of "their" race is likely to result in them coming to the conclusion that similar (or worse) behaviour is therefore acceptable against other races as well.

Ideally people would look beyond a person's "race" and try to treat others in the same way as they would wish to be treated themselves.



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31 Jul 2020, 12:21 am

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my wife included. She is Vietnamese. She has been told to "Go Home". She loves her adopted country more than many of these so called patriots.


I would say "I am...this my home" "what are you going to do about it?"



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31 Jul 2020, 4:26 am

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I have found out the Oriental orthodox church was rejected in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 CE by the Roman Catholic church and rejection confirmed by the great schism in 1054 CE when Rome and Constantinople went there separate ways.

Because they weren't trinitarian and rejected the trinity.The OO church believed; "Jesus was fully divine in one person"

In the other words they believed Jesus was YHWH or Adonai ( the Godhead of the Old Testament) walking around as a person and there was no trinity.No "Father,Son and Holy Ghost"Jesus was simply God.

That is why the Catholic church deemed the OO church heretical and the Eastern Orthodox church confirmed that when they split in 1054.

That is the difference between Oriental orthodox theology and the trinitarian churches.



The concept of Trinity is seen as polytheist; and it’s troubling for those who are still attached to OT/Jewish roots.
The OO is closer to the unitary concept of God because there’s no Father and Son (and no Mother either, they don’t even call Mary Mother of God).

Jesus in OO Christianity is actually closer to Jesus in the Druze faith; in the latter they believe that he is God himself reincarnated as human to walk among us.

Now for the fun: Ancient Jewish Prayer vs OO Christian Prayer (Syriac) vs Islamic Prayer:



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31 Jul 2020, 6:20 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
I have found out the Oriental orthodox church was rejected in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 CE by the Roman Catholic church and rejection confirmed by the great schism in 1054 CE when Rome and Constantinople went there separate ways.

Because they weren't trinitarian and rejected the trinity.The OO church believed; "Jesus was fully divine in one person"

In the other words they believed Jesus was YHWH or Adonai ( the Godhead of the Old Testament) walking around as a person and there was no trinity.No "Father,Son and Holy Ghost"Jesus was simply God.

That is why the Catholic church deemed the OO church heretical and the Eastern Orthodox church confirmed that when they split in 1054.

That is the difference between Oriental orthodox theology and the trinitarian churches.



The concept of Trinity is seen as polytheist; and it’s troubling for those who are still attached to OT/Jewish roots.
The OO is closer to the unitary concept of God because there’s no Father and Son (and no Mother either, they don’t even call Mary Mother of God).

Jesus in OO Christianity is actually closer to Jesus in the Druze faith; in the latter they believe that he is God himself reincarnated as human to walk among us.

Now for the fun: Ancient Jewish Prayer vs OO Christian Prayer (Syriac) vs Islamic Prayer:

I'm not sure if your agreeing with me or disagreeing but it seems you have the gist of my post.


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31 Jul 2020, 6:24 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
I have found out the Oriental orthodox church was rejected in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 CE by the Roman Catholic church and rejection confirmed by the great schism in 1054 CE when Rome and Constantinople went there separate ways.

Because they weren't trinitarian and rejected the trinity.The OO church believed; "Jesus was fully divine in one person"

In the other words they believed Jesus was YHWH or Adonai ( the Godhead of the Old Testament) walking around as a person and there was no trinity.No "Father,Son and Holy Ghost"Jesus was simply God.

That is why the Catholic church deemed the OO church heretical and the Eastern Orthodox church confirmed that when they split in 1054.

That is the difference between Oriental orthodox theology and the trinitarian churches.



The concept of Trinity is seen as polytheist; and it’s troubling for those who are still attached to OT/Jewish roots.
The OO is closer to the unitary concept of God because there’s no Father and Son (and no Mother either, they don’t even call Mary Mother of God).

Jesus in OO Christianity is actually closer to Jesus in the Druze faith; in the latter they believe that he is God himself reincarnated as human to walk among us.

Now for the fun: Ancient Jewish Prayer vs OO Christian Prayer (Syriac) vs Islamic Prayer:



Really? I've never heard any Oriental Orthodox say that they did not believe in the Father and Son.

My understanding was that Chalcedonian (ie EO and now RC/Protestant) Christians articulated dual man and God nature as being together in one person, Christ. OO articulated it as man and God nature together in one nature, which is Christ. But these are essentially different ways of saying the same thing.

On Long Island there are so few Orthodox that our priests attend the same seminaries and we attend the same events, to the point where Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy are perceived as the same Church that's been split down the middle for political reasons.

They also call her the Theotokos (ie godbearer)... Maybe this is a Long Island/North American thing but I'm pretty sure that OO are trinitarian.


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31 Jul 2020, 8:54 pm

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The Oriental orthodox proclaim Jesus "fully divine in one person"

In other words He is God himself,they are not trinitarian and that's why The Catholic and Eastern Orthodox rejected them.


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01 Aug 2020, 2:55 am

vermontsavant wrote:
^^^
The Oriental orthodox proclaim Jesus "fully divine in one person"

In other words He is God himself,they are not trinitarian and that's why The Catholic and Eastern Orthodox rejected them.


^ Maybe it’s far fetched to consider OO non-Trinitarian, but their concept of Trinity differs greatly from other church. For OO the “Trinity” is a union of 3.

The term of “Non-trinitarian” is often used for sects who don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus at all; like the Ebionites (followers of the Gospel of the Hebrews), which Mohammad’s wife belonged to.

Uhmmm.... I think the mods should split the thread.



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01 Aug 2020, 3:10 am

Whale_Tuune wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
I have found out the Oriental orthodox church was rejected in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 CE by the Roman Catholic church and rejection confirmed by the great schism in 1054 CE when Rome and Constantinople went there separate ways.

Because they weren't trinitarian and rejected the trinity.The OO church believed; "Jesus was fully divine in one person"

In the other words they believed Jesus was YHWH or Adonai ( the Godhead of the Old Testament) walking around as a person and there was no trinity.No "Father,Son and Holy Ghost"Jesus was simply God.

That is why the Catholic church deemed the OO church heretical and the Eastern Orthodox church confirmed that when they split in 1054.

That is the difference between Oriental orthodox theology and the trinitarian churches.



The concept of Trinity is seen as polytheist; and it’s troubling for those who are still attached to OT/Jewish roots.
The OO is closer to the unitary concept of God because there’s no Father and Son (and no Mother either, they don’t even call Mary Mother of God).

Jesus in OO Christianity is actually closer to Jesus in the Druze faith; in the latter they believe that he is God himself reincarnated as human to walk among us.

Now for the fun: Ancient Jewish Prayer vs OO Christian Prayer (Syriac) vs Islamic Prayer:



Really? I've never heard any Oriental Orthodox say that they did not believe in the Father and Son.

My understanding was that Chalcedonian (ie EO and now RC/Protestant) Christians articulated dual man and God nature as being together in one person, Christ. OO articulated it as man and God nature together in one nature, which is Christ. But these are essentially different ways of saying the same thing.

On Long Island there are so few Orthodox that our priests attend the same seminaries and we attend the same events, to the point where Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy are perceived as the same Church that's been split down the middle for political reasons.

They also call her the Theotokos (ie godbearer)... Maybe this is a Long Island/North American thing but I'm pretty sure that OO are trinitarian.



The word “Orthodoxe” is an adjective, it doesn’t refer to an unified Church; the Orthodox churches were never unified, they are not ruled by a one head like a one Pope.
Even the Greek Orthodoxe and Russian Orthodoxe, which are both Eastern Orthodoxe don’t celebrate Christmas on the same date even.



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01 Aug 2020, 4:31 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
^^^
The Oriental orthodox proclaim Jesus "fully divine in one person"

In other words He is God himself,they are not trinitarian and that's why The Catholic and Eastern Orthodox rejected them.


^ Maybe it’s far fetched to consider OO non-Trinitarian, but their concept of Trinity differs greatly from other church. For OO the “Trinity” is a union of 3.

The term of “Non-trinitarian” is often used for sects who don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus at all; like the Ebionites (followers of the Gospel of the Hebrews), which Mohammad’s wife belonged to.

Uhmmm.... I think the mods should split the thread.
I have never understood religion well,mainly the emotional connections never been there,you need to connect to religion to fully understand it,that being said;

If they don't believe in the Father,Son and Holy Ghost it doesn't seem there trinitarian.The New Testament contradicts itself,don't quote me exactly on the actual chapter and verse but it's in the New Testament somewhere.I think it's mark that mention's the Father,Son and Holy Ghost.I think it's Galatians that says Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,meaning Jesus is not the son of YHWH but is YHWH.

Some churches embraced the F,S &HS and others embraced the God manifest in the flesh theory.A lot of the American fundamentalist churches embrace the "Jesus is the highest name in heavan" theory as well.

I understand JW's and Christadelphians don't see Jesus as divine but there are also divine Jesus non-trinitarians too,you have to embrace F,S &HS to be a real trinitarian.


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01 Aug 2020, 4:45 am

That their race is not superior.


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That their race is not superior.
What post are you referencing,race has not been discussed on this thread in the last 5 pages?


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01 Aug 2020, 10:10 am

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That their race is not superior.
What post are you referencing,race has not been discussed on this thread in the last 5 pages?


The title.

I am not the one who write that reply, but here is how I figured it out. Read the title and read his reply, and you will get one full sentence:

"Racists don't get that their race is not superior"