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01 Oct 2020, 3:23 am

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Well just saying racism is bad, isn't really doing much, or so I thought.


It is doing a lot if you're the head of a country because its up to the head of state to set an example (like your parents set an example for the kids, or a supervisor sets an example for the subordinates in a company).

Lets take an exaggerated, but non partisan, example.

Lets say that you are running for president. And lets say that Joe Blow, the head of the "North American Man Boy Love Association"(an actual group that promotes pedophilia) publicly endorses you. How do you react to that endorsement?

You disavow it, and refuse to accept his endorsement, and state that your administration will not tolerate pedophilia, and if elected you will go after Joe Blow and his ilk as part of your policy of stopping human trafficking and the exploitation of children, and like that.



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01 Oct 2020, 7:46 am

Oh okay but I think that example is different. Are any racist organizations giving Trump endorsements?



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01 Oct 2020, 7:58 am

ironpony wrote:
Oh okay but I think that example is different. Are any racist organizations giving Trump endorsements?


David Duke, a KKKer, endorsed him in 2016.



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01 Oct 2020, 8:12 pm

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01 Oct 2020, 8:33 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
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Oh okay but I think that example is different. Are any racist organizations giving Trump endorsements?


David Duke, a KKKer, endorsed him in 2016.


Oh okay, and he condemn him at all?

As for that link and source to Trump refusing to condemn white surpremists, at the debate, which white supremists? Just white supremists in general? It says the white surpremist at the protests, but which ones would those be at the protests, since the protestors are BLM? Are there white supremacists going after BLM members, and they want Trump to denounce them?

But I feel that the article also kind of gets off track with the debate. It mentions how Donald Trump talks about who was responsible for certain acts in Charlottesville. Why he is talking about that when that was a long time ago, and this debate is now and should be focusing on the now...



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02 Oct 2020, 2:30 am

Richard Spencer endorsed Biden, so I guess he's a nazi too.


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02 Oct 2020, 2:49 am

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Richard Spencer endorsed Biden, so I guess he's a nazi too.


Spencer had endorsed Trump in 16.

Spencer implied that he used to be excited by Trump because of what Trump stood for, but was now disappointed by Trump's incompetence, so at least Biden is competent even if Biden doesnt make his Nazi heart flutter the way Trump used to do.



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03 Oct 2020, 12:21 am

Oh okay. Well there is one thing I find to be a paradox. Some say Trump is racist because he will not allow non-white people into the country. But a lot of these same people, say that the U.S. is such a racist country, that why would they want more non-whites to come in and experience more of the racism?

If Trump was racist, wouldn't he want to bring them in so they can experience more racism? By keeping them out, isn't he doing them a favor, so they don't have to?



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03 Oct 2020, 9:18 am

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Oh okay. Well there is one thing I find to be a paradox. Some say Trump is racist because he will not allow non-white people into the country. But a lot of these same people, say that the U.S. is such a racist country, that why would they want more non-whites to come in and experience more of the racism?

If Trump was racist, wouldn't he want to bring them in so they can experience more racism? By keeping them out, isn't he doing them a favor, so they don't have to?


No, that seems silly IP.

If someone is hostile to a group of people they would generally prefer to not interact with them at all vs. to waste effort on harassing and intimidating those people. Someone who wants to make America a 'white ethnostate' doesn't want to bring in non-whites just to torture just because they're willing to make life in their planned white ethnostate hell for those that they don't believe belong.

I fail to see the paradox. :?


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03 Oct 2020, 9:39 am

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Oh okay. Well there is one thing I find to be a paradox. Some say Trump is racist because he will not allow non-white people into the country. But a lot of these same people, say that the U.S. is such a racist country, that why would they want more non-whites to come in and experience more of the racism?

If Trump was racist, wouldn't he want to bring them in so they can experience more racism? By keeping them out, isn't he doing them a favor, so they don't have to?


you're degenerating into pure silliness.

If it were anyone else I would think that you were just playing dumb just to be a troll. But from your questions I can tell that you really are rather impaired. There is only so much strangers on the web can help you with understanding.

I think that its time to lock this thread because its degenerating into pure silly.



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03 Oct 2020, 11:17 am

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ironpony wrote:
Oh okay. Well there is one thing I find to be a paradox. Some say Trump is racist because he will not allow non-white people into the country. But a lot of these same people, say that the U.S. is such a racist country, that why would they want more non-whites to come in and experience more of the racism?

If Trump was racist, wouldn't he want to bring them in so they can experience more racism? By keeping them out, isn't he doing them a favor, so they don't have to?


No, that seems silly IP.

If someone is hostile to a group of people they would generally prefer to not interact with them at all vs. to waste effort on harassing and intimidating those people. Someone who wants to make America a 'white ethnostate' doesn't want to bring in non-whites just to torture just because they're willing to make life in their planned white ethnostate hell for those that they don't believe belong.

I fail to see the paradox. :?


Yeah that's a good point. But at the same time, why are people mad at Trump for not allowing in non-white immigrants, when those immigrants would just face racial oppression anyway? If there is a lot of racism in the country, why should more non-white immigrants have to suffer, or why are people mad that he is keeping them out, from suffering the oppression?



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03 Oct 2020, 11:28 am

ironpony wrote:
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ironpony wrote:
Oh okay. Well there is one thing I find to be a paradox. Some say Trump is racist because he will not allow non-white people into the country. But a lot of these same people, say that the U.S. is such a racist country, that why would they want more non-whites to come in and experience more of the racism?

If Trump was racist, wouldn't he want to bring them in so they can experience more racism? By keeping them out, isn't he doing them a favor, so they don't have to?


No, that seems silly IP.

If someone is hostile to a group of people they would generally prefer to not interact with them at all vs. to waste effort on harassing and intimidating those people. Someone who wants to make America a 'white ethnostate' doesn't want to bring in non-whites just to torture just because they're willing to make life in their planned white ethnostate hell for those that they don't believe belong.

I fail to see the paradox. :?


Yeah that's a good point. But at the same time, why are people mad at Trump for not allowing in non-white immigrants, when those immigrants would just face racial oppression anyway? If there is a lot of racism in the country, why should more non-white immigrants have to suffer, or why are people mad that he is keeping them out, from suffering the oppression?


Because people who move to the US are entitled to make their own judgments over whether or not the issues there are a bigger problem then the ones where they're currently living. No where is perfect, so it's not as though anyone making the choice to move from one place to another isn't aware that they will have new issues to deal with in their new homeland.

People who want to allow or broaden immigration are also (usually) opposed to being unwelcoming towards new arrivals, so they're not to blame for the people who are unwelcoming. If a nation is unwelcoming, the people who behave that way are to blame for that outcome, not the people who work to oppose them.


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04 Oct 2020, 12:37 am

Yeah that's true, good point.