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15 Oct 2020, 3:01 pm

AspiePrincess611 wrote:

I do believe that the current social safety net provides too much to too many people who could actually be doing more to help themselves. Neither I nor Trump are planning to take it away completely.

Can you quantify your belief? There is an important discussion over what government should and shouldn't do. You believe government should not support social programs and that is not unusual. How many people should our social nets support? No system is without fraud: so how efficient is it and how efficient should it be?

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15 Oct 2020, 3:18 pm

(clicky)per whitehouse.gov- "[i]If I’m victorious on November 3rd, I plan to forgive these taxes and make permanent cuts to the payroll tax. So I’m going to make them all permanent."
you don't care if social security is gone for all so long as it doesn't affect you and you alone. :roll: NO WE CAN'T "always get our own retirement plan." :roll: you know damned good and well most working class jobs are sans benefits. not everybody is comfortably and securely middle class, we working class folk are the backbone of this country, which without our contribution would collapse this nation in no time at all. don't believe me, then what are strikes all about? :idea:

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15 Oct 2020, 4:26 pm

Brictoria wrote:

magz wrote:

AspiePrincess611 wrote:

If you didn't work to earn that Social Security and Medicare, you don't deserve any free handouts.

Are you saying that those who worked as little as possible but e.g. have rich parents don't deserve their comforts, too?

I think the idea that AspiePrincess611 is putting forward is that "social security" and "Medicare", given that they are funded by society, should have some form of return provided to society (for example, a paid job, voluntary\community work, etc. within the recipient's capacity) by the recipient, and not be seen (or treated) as an "entitlement".

Your example, however, relates to private property, where the owner can elect (or decline) to utilise it as they wish, within the law. In this case it is only a single person\couple choosing, and so the "givers" have much more control\visibility over their "gift", along with control over what (if anything) is expected in return. It could be that the presence\existence of the children is seen as adequate "return" to the parents for their largesse.

*Entitlement attitude* is the fundamental problem.

1. "health care is a right"
2. claiming to be a victim of capitalism
3. small business owners should not be in business, if they cannot pay a "living wage"
4. demanding college be free
5. complaining others have too much more than them
6. develop a victim complex
7. blame others for your problems

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15 Oct 2020, 4:28 pm

there'd be no victims IF there were NO VICTIMIZERS. unfortunately....

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15 Oct 2020, 6:57 pm

VegetableMan wrote:

I fear the two criminal neoliberal gangs, masquerading as parties, far more.

Underappreciated comment ^ .

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15 Oct 2020, 7:11 pm

more like good cop and bad cop.

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15 Oct 2020, 7:32 pm

Governor Christie, surely Learned
His Lesson From A Father of All Lies
Lying About Getting Tested Every Day.
Potentially Putting Him in the ICU Spreading a Deadly
Virus (It Happened) and Now He has a bit of Sympathy for the Others
Who Are Sick, Dying, Dead and or are Yet to Die on '5th Avenue';

He Says NO
to the Chief
Liar in Demand
By Minions on 5th
Avenue for Chris Christie
Has Felt the Sting of Trump's
Soulless Trigger and has Felt
A Measure of Humanity that
Only Humans Who have the Capacity
for Feeling Sympathy for Others Do
Undergoing similar struggles in Life;
My God Trump Proves He doesn't Have
A Human Soul Every Day; Yet he is 'Messiah'
to many Groups of so-called Christians too; hmm,
Chris ChrisTie, Ironic Indeed, Per His Statement Below of Eating

Humble

Pie:

"Reflecting on his own thought process before contracting the virus,
Christie conceded Thursday that he had believed "when I entered the
White House grounds, that I had entered a safe zone, due to the testing
that and I and many others underwent every day. "I was wrong," he said
"I was wrong to not wear a mask at the Amy Coney Barrett announcement
and I was wrong not to wear a mask at my multiple debate prep sessions
with the President and the rest of the team. I hope that my experience shows
my fellow citizens that you should follow CDC guidelines in public no matter
where you are and wear a mask to protect yourself and others."

"The warning from Christie stands in stark contrast
to Trump's message since testing positive himself."

Now Trump And Company's Latest 'Adolph Hitler Gas Chamber Measure'
is to Just Say to Hell with trying to Control the Virus; Let it Spread to All the
Young Folks and Hope for Herd Immunity While at Least 2 Million Innocent
Otherwise Protected Human Beings From the Virus Die; Yes, Just Dead, Die.

Don't Ever Forget
This 4 Letter Word F in Vote;
If Ya Don't Want A Measure of
Your Loved ones Dying on 5th Avenue in Inhumane Ignorance...

Shouldn't Take a Rocket Scientist to figure out who the safest Choice is...

But It's True, it doesn't take that kind of Intelligence to Figure Out the Human Soul...

In Other Words, Vote For Someone With A Soul; Not the one Who Wants to Kill

the 'Road Runner' Every Day

Hint: (no one matters to 'Him Butt Him')

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15/politics ... index.html

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15 Oct 2020, 7:47 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

magz wrote:

AspiePrincess611 wrote:

If you didn't work to earn that Social Security and Medicare, you don't deserve any free handouts.

Are you saying that those who worked as little as possible but e.g. have rich parents don't deserve their comforts, too?

Hmm; Societies Thrive By Providing Health Care For Their
Citizens and Valuable Education to Become Productive Citizens
And Stay in the WorkForce Healthy this way; On the Other Hand.
Countries That Do not take Care of their Citizens this Way End Up

With Leaders
Who Do the
Total Opposite
Thing As Far As Keeping
'Their Congregation' Safe From Killing Lies.

We Stand Together Healthy And Well Educated

Or We Become the Banana Republic that HE
And HIS Minions Same Are Hoping for Now....

Somewhere Along 'the Line' 'They' Failed to See 'Their God of No Love';

As Yes Men For True Fools at the Bottom of the Top of the Humane Pie;

Yeah, Yeah, Once Again i'm Rich in EVERY Way; Doesn't Effect me; Butt sure, i Have A Soul.

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15 Oct 2020, 7:59 pm

magas, many of whom collect social security and medicare, nevertheless castigate as weak the rest of us who do likewise. too many people think themselves 100% self-sufficient when the fact is that no man is an island.

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15 Oct 2020, 10:39 pm

auntblabby wrote:

The question would be: Are they doing this through choice, knowing they have the capacity\ability to get a job and so get off Social Security, should they wish. Or are they, instead, on Social Security as a neccesity, as they lack the capacity\ability to gain\hold a job and become self sufficient?

Most of the left-leaning people I have met and know consider both these alternatives valid positions to be in, and see nothing wrong with paying "Social Security" to whoever wants it (regardless of "need"), whilst those on the right are happy for people who legitimately need it to receive it, but take issue with people who have the capacity to get off it by finding a job and refuse to make any effort to do so.

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15 Oct 2020, 10:50 pm

Generality, Yes But Two Kinds of
People in the World; Those With
'Strong Enough Shoulders' to Push Other Folks Up And Sadly
Those With 'Weak Enough Shoulders' Not Able to Lift Anyone Up...

And There are the Others; Too Feeble
of Soul to Even Lift A Mask to Potentially
Save the Lives of their Neighbors; Even in Church,
And By God Their Closest Loved Ones too Perhaps

i keep
Singing
This for
the 'Size of
My Shoulders' hehe..
As i Dance it As Well...

What Can i say,
i Will not Tale a Lie
But It's True, We Do Gather
Together in Tradition to Tell
Stories; When We lose the Ability
to Do This Oral Tradition We aRE
Ripe to Fall to Almost Any Story that comes Next...

i've Seen Some otherwise Very Nice And Very Well Educated
Folks Fall to this 'Q-Anon Non-Sense' And i continue to Study
The People i know, who have gone this Dark Way of Lies Fed to them...

My Conclusion
in Part.. they
Do Not
Have
Broad
Enough Soldiers
For Enough, so they
look Elsewhere for
Something, Anything,
to Believe in where
one tiny part
They Agree
With
may Be
Enough to
Forgive The
Devil that Carries their Bonding Poison...

Security Peace Victory Love Blood Breathing Stars...

Much Balance in Reasons And Arts of Life it Takes...

HAha; i just Wrote 71,926 Free Verse Poetic Words About it in one Blog Post...

We LiVE iN Fascinating Days to Study And That's Dam Sure True And False too..

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15 Oct 2020, 11:01 pm

Brictoria wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

That's Not For 'You' to Decide or Anyone Else.

People Who Need help Are not Getting in the United States.

The System is Rigged for those Who Need Help Most Not to Be able to get it;

It's Not Necessarily on Purpose; The Rules Favor those Capable of Making Rules.

Folks Who are the Worst-off
Are the ones who end up Homeless
on the Street as No one Cares Enough And
has 'Strong Enough Shoulders' to Lift them up;

Or Has Ever 'Seen' The 'Dark Abyss of Soul'.

'YOU" WILL never know What Breathes in
The Darkness of the Strongest Folks You 'Think' You See;

In Other Words, There Are Many Invisible Disabilities 'You'
DO NOT SEE OR ANYONE ELSE WHO DOES NOT EXPERIENCE IT.

AND
THAT'S A FACT;

To Be Clear, 'You'
does not mean You As an Individual;
Just discussing This Opinion in General.

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16 Oct 2020, 10:53 am

MaxE wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

cberg wrote:

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criminal neoliberal gangs

But heaven forbid we get in the way of our true saviors, the dear ole' criminal neoconservative gangs!

Like Hillary and Obama? You need to check the defintions of both word, and their policies, to know I'm correct.

Neoliberalism and Neoconservatism are not polar opposites of each other, in fact they are both more "conservative" than not. I usually see Neconservatism used as a epithet to describe Democratic politicians for whom Third-Party leftists refuse to vote. Neoliberalism is basically free-market capitalism but the term is used to belittle self-proclaimed liberals when accusing them of not understanding the "real" i.e. archaic meaning of the term "Liberalism".

I know neoliberalism is an epithet often times for free market economics, and maybe I am splitting hairs here, but outside Friedman and Thatcher, the rest of the neoliberals I hear about (Clinton, Reagan, Blair) were either washed up liberals or leftists and seen the need for a market economy, albeit mixed market. Obamacare seems like an example of neoliberalism and both sides of the aislte can agree there are some really messed up things with it. Public private partnerships are neoliberal as are tax cuts, but honestly it seems like a jumbled mess at this point that it seems like advocating a freer, but mixed market economy would be a better definition imo. Again I could be wrong but that was my impression. Ironically neoconservatism was started by former leftists as well.

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16 Oct 2020, 10:54 am

VegetableMan wrote:

MaxE wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

cberg wrote:

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criminal neoliberal gangs

But heaven forbid we get in the way of our true saviors, the dear ole' criminal neoconservative gangs!

Like Hillary and Obama? You need to check the defintions of both word, and their policies, to know I'm correct.

The difference between neoliberalism and neoconservatism is the hyper-miltarism that the latter embraces.

In the late 90s, there was a document that was composed by a conservative think-tank entitled, The Project For The New American Century. It laid out the plans for expanding our hegemony in the Middle East with continual regime-change wars. That has certainly come to pass, and Obama was the most ardent supporter of this doctrine, taking us from two to seven wars. The creepiest part of that document was how we could use a major attack on U.S soil to further that goal.

+1 for the PNAC reference.

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16 Oct 2020, 11:20 am

AspiePrincess611 wrote:

I really wish someone would explain to me how my wearing a mask protects others who are at risk (assuming the others involved are wearing masks). I am working on a graduate degree in the sciences, and no one has yet shown me any convincing scientific explanation as to how this works. If a person has a virus, and is not wearing a mask, how will the virus get through the mask of a person sitting next to them? I know there are N95 masks that are supposed to be the most protective. It just makes no logical sense. If I don't care about getting the virus, and don't wear a mask, how does that threaten others who are wearing masks? Is there some mechanism by which the virus cannot exit a mask but can enter one? That seems more like magic than science. I wish a biologist or a doctor could explain this. I have a friend who is a microbiologist and this makes no sense to him either.

From my understanding, it seems to reduce spread by about 20% (would need to look up the report). Having said that I bought one before it was mandated and am more annoyed at mandates than people wearing or not wearing masks honestly. As soon as the government said you needed to, people did it, but not a second sooner. The critical thinking is the thing that annoys me, not even the mask itself.

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16 Oct 2020, 11:34 am

TheRobotLives wrote:

Trump maybe brash, bombastic, offensive ... however .. his policies are more appealing to me ...

Biden:
1. Biden wants to resurrect tax (ACA penalty) for people who cannot afford health insurance.

Talk about kicking a person when they're down.

2. Biden wants to raise numerous taxes. Including curtailing 401k deductions.

3. Biden says on "day one" he wants to legalize all illegal aliens, and let in banned Muslims.

4. Biden's 40+ year career as a politician should make one dubious about his intentions.

Likely, most of what he says are lies.

5. A few days ago, in a speech, Biden said he is running for the Senate.

Lost his marbles?

6. Biden wants to create a new import tax on products that would be a tax increase on all Americans.

7. Biden seems so old and confused, and sold to donors, that one wonders, who are his puppet masters?

8. Biden seems to be entrenched into the left's *everything is racism*, *racist country*, *racist boogeyman holding you back*.

This is offensive to me, since it's a negative message, rather than a positive message to overcome challenges.

9. Biden is likely to go along with freedom-limiting changes.

The best part of Biden is that likely most of what he says are lies, and he will accomplish little, and fall back on being a moderate.

Number 4 I am a bit dubious on (we should liberalize immigration, but not to the extent Biden wants). Number 6 I would like a source as if that is true, that would blow one of the major selling points of Biden (trade liberalization). Overall though I agree. It isn't like he is going to pull and FDR and say legalize marijuana (which would be huge), but it seems he is too conservative for that and in between being liberal in all the wrong ways and conservative in all the wrong ways, I would say in some ways he might be on par with Clinton or perhaps even worse considering how liberal everyone has become on social issues.

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