Trump's various attempts to challenge election results

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08 Dec 2020, 2:53 pm

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This is totally not suspicious.

https://nationalfile.com/michigan-secre ... dit-calls/

The Michigan State Republican Party Friday sounded an alarm about an ethically questionable memo authorized by Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson that “is pushing for the mass deletion of election data.”

Michigan Republican Party Chairman Laura Cox in a statement Friday, said that Benson’s office issued orders to clerks in Michigan counties to “delete Electronic Poll Book software and associated files” even as calls to audit the election persist.


I thought destroying election material before 22 months were up was a federal crime. Either way why do this unless you have something to hide?



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One of the most courageous decisions you will ever make is to let go of what is hurting you, heart and soul.

Trump lost.

Biden won.

There is nothing you can do, say, or post to change that, so let it go and move on.


Whenever anyone on this sub-forum questions the official narrative about anything, you can be fairly confident that Fnord will be first on the scene to say "nothing to see here, move on". The merits of each particular case seem to make no difference. This in fact so predictable by now that you have to think that coming out with the same response over and over again provides him with some sort of psychological benefit. "Nothing to see here, move on" is like a lazy way of making oneself feel 'respectable' and 'smart' at the expense of others.

As for you, Mikah, I admire your efforts, but I wonder why you bother sometimes. This sub-forum just gets worse and worse by the day.



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08 Dec 2020, 3:00 pm

Georgia said no, but Texas might be willing to help with a coup:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-asks-u ... 30191.html


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08 Dec 2020, 4:09 pm

The idea that Trump has been making attempts to seriously challenge the election results is back to front.
He has a case at least for some sort of investigation, but he's done nothing but talk. He recently had a chance to address his loyal voters who had turned out to support him, but he just drove past them to go off and play golf.

His actions in this regard, and the liberals' responses to it, mirror his presidency as a whole. All he did for four years was tweet various pieces of vaguely populist rhetoric while doing nothing to carry out his campaign promises or even protect his own supporters from gangs of violent antifa, and all the while liberals were screeching a load of utter nonsense about him being a "fascist".



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08 Dec 2020, 4:11 pm

slam_thunderhide wrote:
Whenever anyone on this sub-forum questions the official narrative about anything, you can be fairly confident that Fnord will be first on the scene to say "nothing to see here, move on". The merits of each particular case seem to make no difference. This in fact so predictable by now that you have to think that coming out with the same response over and over again provides him with some sort of psychological benefit. "Nothing to see here, move on" is like a lazy way of making oneself feel 'respectable' and 'smart' at the expense of others...
Do you believe that it is more 'respectable' and 'smart' to attack a person whose claims you cannot refute?

It sure seems that way.



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08 Dec 2020, 4:20 pm

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Georgia said no, but Texas might be willing to help with a coup...l
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Paul Smith, a professor and election law expert at Georgetown University's law school, said Texas did not have a legitimate basis for the suit.

"There is no possible way that the state of Texas has standing to complain about how other states counted the votes and how they are about to cast their electoral votes," Smith said.
Most of the lawyers with whom I have spoken have upheld this legal opinion as well, with some calling it a "Civil War fought in the courts".

Unless Mr. Trump does something illegal -- or even traitorous -- he stands no chance at all of still being
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08 Dec 2020, 5:04 pm

Fnord wrote:
slam_thunderhide wrote:
Whenever anyone on this sub-forum questions the official narrative about anything, you can be fairly confident that Fnord will be first on the scene to say "nothing to see here, move on". The merits of each particular case seem to make no difference. This in fact so predictable by now that you have to think that coming out with the same response over and over again provides him with some sort of psychological benefit. "Nothing to see here, move on" is like a lazy way of making oneself feel 'respectable' and 'smart' at the expense of others...
Do you believe that it is more 'respectable' and 'smart' to attack a person whose claims you cannot refute?

It sure seems that way.


That's an inversion of reality. It is you who constantly fails to address the claims of others, merely responding to them with the same lazy, self-satisfied "nothing to see here, move on" statement over and over again, just as you have done with Mikah here.

When I see someone posting the same non-argument over and over, I think it is relevant to mention that fact rather than pretend that each non-argument is in fact a separate argument and that I've never seen your name before (with over 44,000 posts, how could I miss it, lol).



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08 Dec 2020, 7:20 pm

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Georgia said no, but Texas might be willing to help with a coup:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-asks-u ... 30191.html


Not surprised at all. We're a mess from top to bottom.


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08 Dec 2020, 7:24 pm

Trump is not taken seriously at all by such entities as the Supreme Court.

I'm not worried about the potential results of a Trump challenge.

He's dead in the water.

And he might be indicted soon.



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08 Dec 2020, 9:30 pm

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And he might be indicted soon.


Can he pardon himself?



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08 Dec 2020, 9:48 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
And he might be indicted soon.
Can he pardon himself?
That would set a bad precedent.  Then again, he could only pardon himself against federal crimes and misdemeanors, not criminal actions against state laws.



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08 Dec 2020, 10:02 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
And he might be indicted soon.


Can he pardon himself?



No.
Yes.
It's complicated.


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08 Dec 2020, 10:16 pm

I see he settled the lawsuit with Trump university so no more class action there.

Amazingly many of the students who lost thousands in fees are still championing his cause??? I mean seriously?? How dumb do you have to be



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08 Dec 2020, 10:38 pm

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Remember it's also backed by witnesses. Two observers, who can identify themselves on the CCTV, signed affidavits saying that the blonde lady (who is not Regina Weller the ABC source) announced to the room that counting was to be stopped and to be resumed at 8:30 which is why they say they went home along with the film crew. According to their affidavits, when they heard rumours that counting had continued without their observation they rushed back to that counting room early in the morning. Both events look concordant with the tapes and/or press reports.

Can you provide links to the specific relevant affidavits?

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Another thing to consider. If it's just the cutters leaving the room, why do the counters that stay behind not continue working throughout? Why do they wait until the press and observers have left and then start processing ballots?

I don't know, of course. But I can think of an obvious possible innocent explanation: That, while the cutters were in process of leaving the room, the counters took a break to say good-bye to them. It would probably have been difficult for them to concentrate on their work while the majority of people in the room were in process of getting ready to leave.


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08 Dec 2020, 11:43 pm

Trump can’t pardon himself if he’s convicted of state charges. The governor of the state would have to pardon him.



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09 Dec 2020, 12:44 am

It’s kinda hard to tell of trump and his boot lickers are actually delusional and believe any of this crap Or if they’re just F-ing as much up on the way out the door as possible just do Biden walks in to a total mess with ~half the country believing their crazytalk.


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09 Dec 2020, 1:42 am

goldfish21 wrote:
It’s kinda hard to tell of trump and his boot lickers are actually delusional and believe any of this crap .


That is the mystery. I think they do know what they are doing when they lick the ground Trump walks on.



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