19 Dec 2020, 4:46 am
Redd_Kross wrote:
Popularism in Nazi Germany was also about getting people stirred up about alleged unfairness, in order to grab power.
"Alleged unfairness"?
The Versailles treaty was the cause of WWII.
Those short-sighted bastards cause the German environment which allowed Hitler to gain power.
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19 Dec 2020, 10:29 am
Pepe wrote:
Most people are incapable of being objective/rational with subjects like this.
Most people are slaves to their emotions.
I am not "most people".
Most people are slaves to their emotions.
I am not "most people".
Wow, you must be so objective and cool.
No type person is as aware as someone who calls most other people irrational with themselves as the exception.
It is just like that Principal Skinner meme.
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19 Dec 2020, 10:41 am
Pepe wrote:
"Alleged unfairness"?
The Versailles treaty was the cause of WWII.
Those short-sighted bastards cause the German environment which allowed Hitler to gain power.
The Versailles treaty was the cause of WWII.
Those short-sighted bastards cause the German environment which allowed Hitler to gain power.
And I am sure the war and sanctions on the Middle East will cause the next 9/11 or WWIII. A level of unnecessary sanctions happen, other people at the time focus too much on the reason they might have been put in place at the time and wonder why they get extreme reactions from populists able to get support for strikes back.
Iran could have started the third world war after Trump ended the nuclear deal and someone in your exact position in 80 years would be saying that it was Trump's sanctions that were actually responsible for it. If unfairness was all the reason needed to create a fascistic movement there would be all the reasoning needed to go against the Western World built on slavery, exploitation of the English Empire and so on.
19 Dec 2020, 10:57 am
Bradleigh wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Most people are incapable of being objective/rational with subjects like this.
Most people are slaves to their emotions.
I am not "most people".
Most people are slaves to their emotions.
I am not "most people".
Wow, you must be so objective and cool.
No type person is as aware as someone who calls most other people irrational with themselves as the exception.
It is just like that Principal Skinner meme.
But can they steam a good ham?
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19 Dec 2020, 11:44 am
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19 Dec 2020, 12:02 pm
Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Pepe wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
In my experience: I just go ahead and use the N word on this site, and it comes up automatically "bleeped out" by typographic symbols.
Testing: Removed by moderator
Works!
I am ok with a site that allows the N word, and I am ok with one that forbids it.
Forbidding the N-word supports an anti-racist agenda. Not necessarily a "progressive agenda".
I am not feeling that feeling of indigination you have towards Alex for censoring it.
Testing: Removed by moderator
Works!
I am ok with a site that allows the N word, and I am ok with one that forbids it.
Forbidding the N-word supports an anti-racist agenda. Not necessarily a "progressive agenda".
I am not feeling that feeling of indigination you have towards Alex for censoring it.
So if posting a direct quote where the word is used, it would still be censored but not changed to n-word. I see no problem with that. Also though I'd figure a progressive agenda would be the best kind...isn't progress a good thing?
"Progressive" means different things to different people.
But I and ASPartofMe were using the word in the partisan sense to mean "left of center", or "liberal", or "green party".
SOME conservatives oppose racism as much as do Liberal Dems. I am pretty sure.
SOME MOST conservatives oppose racism as much as do Liberal Dems. I am pretty sure.
I fixed it for you.
Unfortunately, at least as far as U.S conservatives that doesn't seem to be true. It's not always outright loud and proud racism but many at least have a lot of pretty ignorant views when it comes to racial issues. A large amount of my extended family is conservative and all the ones who are, are a little racist or at least say racist things.
If someone is a true Christian, they cannot embrace racism.
The people you are referring to are probably simple hypocrites.
Christianity, by its nature, is totally inclusive and embraces all who wish to join.
Look at all the missionaries that the church sent all over the world.
There is no getting around that.
Perhaps many American Christians haven't been educated properly about their dogma beliefs?
Seems there are a good amount of hypocrite christians, that is part of why I left the religion. Love your neighbor on Sunday but screw them any other day of the week. But then also I never really thought it made sense we were all 'sinners' that needed saving and all that praying and having faith never seemed to do me any bit of good, and that god is an a**hole to be fair.
We have a lot of pushy christians to that want everyone to abide by biblical ideas/laws...such as wanting to ban abortion because life begins at 'conception' which is not true from a biological standpoint the way they mean it.
And idk how I feel about missionaries, seems kind of silly to assume you know better what the people you help should believe religiously. Its like help but with pressure to accept their religion, what if the people they go to help area already content with their own beliefs?
Also, I have a feeling there are hypocritical, pushy christians beyond the U.S as well.
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19 Dec 2020, 12:30 pm
Pepe wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
What if your at a peaceful protest and it become a riot because the police decide they should start shooting rubber bullets at peoples faces? It happened in the city I live near. That said I was too afraid to go to any protests, because of the police brutalizing protestors.
Well, I wouldn't be there in the first place.
My life, my choice.
But if I was, and it turned bad, I'd get the frack out of there, pronto.
I wouldn't fight back.
I probably wouldn't be there in the first place either, I prefer to stay away from anything that attracts police.
I already figured if I ever did find it in myself to go to one, that's probably what I would do. Of course from some of the accounts I read about and even videos made it seem there was not always a clear way out. Better for me to support such things as protests from a distance.
19 Dec 2020, 12:36 pm
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19 Dec 2020, 12:37 pm
19 Dec 2020, 3:46 pm
19 Dec 2020, 4:59 pm
Bradleigh wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Most people are incapable of being objective/rational with subjects like this.
Most people are slaves to their emotions.
I am not "most people".
Most people are slaves to their emotions.
I am not "most people".
Wow, you must be so objective and cool.
No type person is as aware as someone who calls most other people irrational with themselves as the exception.
It is just like that Principal Skinner meme.
Its a gift.
19 Dec 2020, 5:01 pm
Bradleigh wrote:
Pepe wrote:
"Alleged unfairness"?
The Versailles treaty was the cause of WWII.
Those short-sighted bastards cause the German environment which allowed Hitler to gain power.
The Versailles treaty was the cause of WWII.
Those short-sighted bastards cause the German environment which allowed Hitler to gain power.
And I am sure the war and sanctions on the Middle East will cause the next 9/11 or WWIII. A level of unnecessary sanctions happen, other people at the time focus too much on the reason they might have been put in place at the time and wonder why they get extreme reactions from populists able to get support for strikes back.
Iran could have started the third world war after Trump ended the nuclear deal and someone in your exact position in 80 years would be saying that it was Trump's sanctions that were actually responsible for it. If unfairness was all the reason needed to create a fascistic movement there would be all the reasoning needed to go against the Western World built on slavery, exploitation of the English Empire and so on.
So, basically your MO is to disagree with anything/k I say.
Got it!
19 Dec 2020, 5:10 pm
Pepe wrote:
Bradleigh wrote:
Pepe wrote:
"Alleged unfairness"?
The Versailles treaty was the cause of WWII.
Those short-sighted bastards cause the German environment which allowed Hitler to gain power.
The Versailles treaty was the cause of WWII.
Those short-sighted bastards cause the German environment which allowed Hitler to gain power.
And I am sure the war and sanctions on the Middle East will cause the next 9/11 or WWIII. A level of unnecessary sanctions happen, other people at the time focus too much on the reason they might have been put in place at the time and wonder why they get extreme reactions from populists able to get support for strikes back.
Iran could have started the third world war after Trump ended the nuclear deal and someone in your exact position in 80 years would be saying that it was Trump's sanctions that were actually responsible for it. If unfairness was all the reason needed to create a fascistic movement there would be all the reasoning needed to go against the Western World built on slavery, exploitation of the English Empire and so on.
So, basically your MO is to disagree with anything/k I say.
Got it!
lol
19 Dec 2020, 5:16 pm
Pepe wrote:
Redd_Kross wrote:
Popularism in Nazi Germany was also about getting people stirred up about alleged unfairness, in order to grab power.
"Alleged unfairness"?
The Versailles treaty was the cause of WWII.
Those short-sighted bastards cause the German environment which allowed Hitler to gain power.
Alleged unfairness can be true, or it can be false. That's what "alleged" means. I agree the vindictiveness of the Versailles treaty was a primary cause of the rise of the Nazis, but it wasn't the only thing to incur the wrath of Hitler, was it? Jewish people being portrayed as lazy, greedy and undeservedly rich being one example. Disabled people and ethnic minorities being a burden on society. Certain authors and artists being denounced as subversive and "un-German". Other nations greedily hogging land that was, and always had been, theirs.... Widespread resentment was definitely a driving force, some of it was justified but a lot was completely irrational. Hitler's early rhetoric has the air of an abused child taking all his frustrations out on the world. The issue with that was, once he'd gained power, things didn't improve as he'd promised and he was now responsible. So who could he blame now? Especially once all the previous groups he'd targeted had been demeaned / silenced / dispatched? That's why very right wing nationalistic parties generally implode sooner or later, they can't sustain their own reality gap and general hatred level, and sooner or later it all descends into bitter in-fighting. Obviously if the already unstable leader becomes even more bitter and deranged that speeds it along too.
19 Dec 2020, 5:33 pm
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Quote:
If someone is a true Christian, they cannot embrace racism.
The people you are referring to are probably simple hypocrites.
Christianity, by its nature, is totally inclusive and embraces all who wish to join.
Look at all the missionaries that the church sent all over the world.
There is no getting around that.
Perhaps many American Christians haven't been educated properly about their dogma beliefs?
The people you are referring to are probably simple hypocrites.
Christianity, by its nature, is totally inclusive and embraces all who wish to join.
Look at all the missionaries that the church sent all over the world.
There is no getting around that.
Perhaps many American Christians haven't been educated properly about their dogma beliefs?
Seems there are a good amount of hypocrite christians, that is part of why I left the religion. Love your neighbor on Sunday but screw them any other day of the week.
A bit like the hypocrisy of Billionaire Democrats?
Sweetleaf wrote:
But then also I never really thought it made sense we were all 'sinners' that needed saving
Like the collective guilt of the "white" race?
Yeah, I never bought into being deemed corrupt, because I was half German, whilst I was still in the womb.
Well actually, I lived all my childhood under the burden of guilt of what happened to the 13 million who died in the concentration camps.
Silly kid.
Silly me.
Now that I have the ability to reason, I give that nonsense the flick.
Sweetleaf wrote:
and all that praying and having faith never seemed to do me any bit of good, and that god is an a**hole to be fair.
Well, recently I prayed to be handsome, rich and 30 years younger, but nothin'.
Sweetleaf wrote:
We have a lot of pushy christians to that want everyone to abide by biblical ideas/laws...such as wanting to ban abortion because life begins at 'conception' which is not true from a biological standpoint the way they mean it.
And idk how I feel about missionaries, seems kind of silly to assume you know better what the people you help should believe religiously. Its like help but with pressure to accept their religion, what if the people they go to help area already content with their own beliefs?
And idk how I feel about missionaries, seems kind of silly to assume you know better what the people you help should believe religiously. Its like help but with pressure to accept their religion, what if the people they go to help area already content with their own beliefs?
It is an uncomfortable arrogance, but this isn't what we were talking about.
If other ethnic groups embraced their religion, they are equal members of the faith.
This is definitely not signs of racism.
Sweetleaf wrote:
Also, I have a feeling there are hypocritical, pushy christians beyond the U.S as well.
Australia has become very secular, compared to when I was a kid, so religion doesn't have as much influenced as in America.
Are there a lot of hypocrites in Australian Christianity?
I don't think so, but I don't mix much.
I was a committed Christian until I was about 20, btw.
I should have simply been committed.
19 Dec 2020, 5:36 pm
Redd_Kross wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Redd_Kross wrote:
Popularism in Nazi Germany was also about getting people stirred up about alleged unfairness, in order to grab power.
"Alleged unfairness"?
The Versailles treaty was the cause of WWII.
Those short-sighted bastards cause the German environment which allowed Hitler to gain power.
Alleged unfairness can be true, or it can be false. That's what "alleged" means. I agree the vindictiveness of the Versailles treaty was a primary cause of the rise of the Nazis, but it wasn't the only thing to incur the wrath of Hitler, was it? Jewish people being portrayed as lazy, greedy and undeservedly rich being one example. Disabled people and ethnic minorities being a burden on society. Certain authors and artists being denounced as subversive and "un-German". Other nations greedily hogging land that was, and always had been, theirs.... Widespread resentment was definitely a driving force, some of it was justified but a lot was completely irrational. Hitler's early rhetoric has the air of an abused child taking all his frustrations out on the world. The issue with that was, once he'd gained power, things didn't improve as he'd promised and he was now responsible. So who could he blame now? Especially once all the previous groups he'd targeted had been demeaned / silenced / dispatched? That's why very right wing nationalistic parties generally implode sooner or later, they can't sustain their own reality gap and general hatred level, and sooner or later it all descends into bitter in-fighting. Obviously if the already unstable leader becomes even more bitter and deranged that speeds it along too.
Once again, if it wasn't for the brutality of the Versailles Treaty, there would never have been a Hitler.
That is the bottom line.
Everything/k else is moot.
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