Are there any post coup attempt EX-trump supporters here?

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And yet for some reason the Capitol rioters didn’t set off any bombs or fire any weapons, even after one of their own (unarmed) had been shot and killed by a policeman.
The rioters used excessive force to make a political point. That still doesn’t make it a coup attempt.


That’s not what I said, and that’s not what I meant. The people get given the same recurring crap whichever party is elected because it’s basically the same establishment in charge, and they use the phony democratic system as a cloak of legitimacy. So although you people might disagree with individual things the establishment does, by treating the democratic system as sacred you are basically supporting the establishment whatever it does.

What I meant was to ask if lefists ever question their own beliefs when they see political violence carried out in the name of those beliefs.
Also, I said right at the start that I view Trump as a fraud, so when I say that he did not instigate an attack on the Capitol, I’m not defending him, I’m just stating a fact. But yes, I sympathize with his supporters.

The deaths were tragic. But I note the media-inspired language you use. “Five people died”. Yes, four of them were Trump supporters. And the only person who can truthfully said to have been murdered that day was the (unarmed) female Trump supporter shot by a policeman.

As a general principle, no I’m not, but I am honest about it. I doubt anyone in here is truly against ALL political violence, or if they are, then they are naïve. American independence was won through political violence.

Yes, he went to Kenosha to defend people and property from violent criminals, and when they attacked him, he defended himself.

That wasn't "political violence", but it was exploited for political purposes. So I am no more disgusted by it than I am by similar cases (and worse cases) of police brutality that don’t get as much attention because

I'm more angry about the fact that the authorities couldn’t use those measures to protect the thousands and thousands of people who had their lives and neighborhoods ruined by the criminal rioters, and that they only used those methods when the precious elite citadels were under threat.

Well, maybe part of the reason it’s imploding is because people are too busy scanning the horizon for some great Nazi or fascist threat to turn round and look at the reality of the liberal democracy they deem so sacred.

I am not going to condone illegality, but I’ll say now that I view the Capitol rioters as mostly decent people, and the BLM/antifa rioters - and the criminal establishment that covered for them - as mostly trash. So I am not really trying to draw an equivalence here, and I didn't mean to give the impression that I was.

I've been surprised that none of his lovers have spoken up here since the riot took place. Where is still his support for him? Where are his white knights?

Are they too embarrassed to admit, "I was wrong and you were all right, he was a bad person and he really wanted to rule our country and I had no idea he was capable of this. Everyone the media said about him and lawyers and doctors, everyone was right, I've been duped. I'm so sorry for ever supporting and voting for him. I had no idea that voting him into office would lead to this."

So, the story I keep hearing, from people in this very thread, is:

"Trump gave a speech. He 'incited violence' and encouraged a bunch of his supporters to storm the Capitol on a whim. The FBI intends to identify and prosecute those people for breaking-and-entering the Capitol." These people were Trump cultists who'd been brainwashed by years of disinformation by Trump, and he riled them up that day in Washington, and they all responded. But now you're saying this was a highly-coordinated, pre-planned, special operations attempt (even though not a single shot was fired by the highly-organized insurrectionists). Fortunately, it was all thwarted by a handful of police who, despite being highly overwhelmed, and deliberately put at a disadvantage by these behind-the-curtain operatives who control security in-and-around the District of Columbia, were able to stop these Mission Impossible-style secret agents from carrying out their highly-skilled and highly-organized coup.

If that's the case, then the actual rioters, the "bumbling idiots who're more of a distraction than anything," aren't really guilty of a coup attempt if they were too stupid to even know what their role in the whole thing was. It wasn't pre-meditated on their end, and they didn't know why they were doing what they were instructed to do. Still, since they successfully managed to break-and-enter the Capitol and cause disruption, why didn't the "highly-skilled" mercenaries who were already informed of the plan and just waiting for the breech to occur not step in and carry out the pre-planned coup? They got their distraction.

So, we've got useful idiots breaking-and-entering, breaching, trespassing, looting...all illegal, no question. But none of them knew about this greater coup, and none of them were capable of perpetrating a coup on their own. They were simply enticed to riot on the words of a president shortly beforehand, as the story goes.

But they're all guilty of a coup because that was the intention of these highly-skilled, behind-the-scenes people in place before Trump even spoke. And none of these "agents" with prior knowledge of the drill seem to have been identified.


Okay, who are all these lawmakers, why haven't they been identified? If you're saying people in the crowd themselves were these skilled & trained individuals, then they were certainly aware of the plan before Trump even opened his mouth. Yet, the people the FBI have identified and arrested all seem to be a bunch of the bumbling morons who were oblivious. Also, where were all the weapons & defenses this paramilitary unit had? The Capitol police were outnumbered, yet the "insurrection" ended without a bloodbath and before military units had to do a full raid.

It's like we're now trying to tell two stories and weave them together - A bunch of morons breached the Capitol (illegal, no doubt). They were enticed by the President. But they were too stupid to know the end-game of their actions. But they're still guilty of a coup, even if it wasn't their intention and even if it was beyond their scope, because these "shadow figures" all knew what would happen in advance, and were ready to overthrow the government military style, but then suddenly didn't. And we're not sure who those people are. But international security experts says so.

This is what you're telling me?

Then the rioters we've seen aren't really guilty of the coup themselves. It sounds like entrapment on the part of the president and his operatives. And, since these morons did their part, why didn't the highly-skilled faction enact phase 2?

EDIT: And, again, in your scenario, the unaware morons, while certainly guilty of trespassing and damaging a public building, were not actually guilty of seditious conspiracy of attempting a coup if they didn't even know what the plan was.

Insiders are all being investigated. They’ll be expelled, charged with treason etc.

How is it somehow my fault that treasonous republicans could only recruit such minimal numbers of military/police trained insurrectionists and had to rely on morons that didn’t know what they were doing?

They’re all going to jail. Maybe trump included.

a dark punny joke circulating now, is that the seditious mobs should be punished most severely because they committed a "capitol offense."

Perhaps, but what you're peddling is still hearsay and contradictory to the official narrative. And what was the end goal? Temporary disruption of the certification process? Actually harming, taking hostages, and perhaps killing members of Congress? Would all branches of the US military back and defend these intruders and take orders from whatever they might have decreed from the Capitol?

I still fail to see how this could, in any reality, have totally dismantled and usurped the federal government of the USA or changed anything.

No, about spotting Trump supporters, ISpy them. Not sure if cornflake meant me or someone else. Hard to tell.

I’m pretty sure this screen grab is from a critically acclaimed film called “Capitol Punishment.”

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It was literally an attempted coup. People died. Trained leos/ex-military participated. They had guns, bombs, riot cuffs, body armour, chemical weapons, riot shields etc. They attempted to seize government by violent force and prevent the peaceful transition of power to a democratically elected President in a free and fair election that’s been investigated & recounted multiple times in contested states. Wtf else do you call it besides a coup?

Even international experts are calling it that - a failed one - but still an attempted coup, with complicit police & military actors considering the lack of law enforcement presence and delays in dispatching help.

Why would anyone be embarrassed by BLM? America’s white supremacy problem is what should be embarrassing.

What do extremists shooting up a baseball game or attempting an assassination have to do with leftists? Very little compared to the Majority of republican voters that back the coup at the capitol.

Well, I have seen his words and heard them. He certainly incited his supporters to take action, as did his accomplices. He is on record.

And the bombs? Those were not serious. The guy with the restraints? Not a hostage attempt? And what were the calls to hang Mike Pence about? 58 capitol police were beaten and one lost his life? Not serious? Hanging a noose and disabling police cars is just a gag? Even Elizabeth from Kentucky thought she was a member of a revolution.

I feel like Trump will get his comeuppance soon.....at least partially.

He is almost certain to at least get impeached. All that's needed is about 17 Republicans to vote for conviction when the Senate tries him.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.....

People like Mitch McConnell, McCarthy (all staunch Trump supporters previously), have spoken out vociferously against Trump

And the Joint Chiefs of Staff!