Freedom of Speech and the recent unpleasantness

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Sloppy Joe, I have named you well.
What part of: "who knows, they may have murdered more people than Stalin and Mao combined."

Dear, dear, what will I do with you? [sigh]

Sorry, did you mean you don't know? My mistake...

No, that is not what I am saying at all. It is not even the point I am making.

You didn't make that clear.




Wasn't it said that no one knew where Nazism would lead to, but people did know what communism was all about?



America only has 2 viable parties.
I hope you understand the implications of my statement.



To use your own words: "It is sloppy thinking--you can't prove an event that did not happen."
You can't *prove* that, had the 'communists/socialists' joined together and won the election, they would have been a more benign regime.
They were very violent times.
I should know. I was there. [joke]


I live and breath 'speculation' and know its limitations. You don't need to tell me how it works.

Sloppy Joe, what is this ideological rhetoric of which you speak?
And who is disseminating it?



What the hell are you on about?
Your context is jumping all over the place.

Who is *not* being honest?
Who is inciting violence?
What speaker isn't responsible?
The audience? When did they join the discussion?

So, you aren't talking about what we were talking about now, are you?

No problems.

I'm not sure i understand the question.

My mom thinks this happened because I was a sped students. I learned on Facebook that rules are enforced more on the special needs and they let NT kids get away with not following social rules.

As a kid, all I felt was I was singled out, oppressed, scape goated, bullied, and this is how you can traumatize a special ed student.

NT kids get traumatized too when they are also scape goated in their family. This can happen to a special needs child too because of ableism.

Both of these sound awfully like right wing propaganda. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Hitler claim the first?

I don't dispute that there is a certain amount of acquiescence to the prevailing dogma of a totalitarian state. In the rise of communism and fascism the poverty and unemployment that preceded it was a big factor in why people accepted extreme philosophies, but there is a distinction between the disproportionate number of poor Russians accepting socialism as a means of having enough to eat compared to Germans thinking their are the superior/master race

Popularist but eventually totalitarian regimes ramp up their extremism in stages. Nonetheless there is a breakaway moment when enough people decide the promises on offer, versus what they already have, justify gambling on a leap into the unknown and giving up most of one's existing power and wealth to do so.

Things have to be severe for that gamble to be worth making. People aren't normally willing to stake everything they have on a double or quits move.

The Russians felt like that, and very shortly after the Germans felt like that as well. Or at least enough did to put extreme leaders into power. Initially I would imagine there was relief, and hope in a better future. And then it all gradually turned to s**t, and the people realised they were trapped in a situation where their double or quits gamble had NOT paid off.

Yes the situation in Russia was more extreme, but then it always had been. Russia wasn't known for its high standard of living to start with. The Germans had some severe economic problems after WW1, greatly exacerbated by the Versailles Treaty, which caused rampant inflation, and consequently overnight poverty. Not in the same league as Russia, but then the Germans were used to having a lot more. And therefore were more mindful of the consequences of losing it all, too, especially having already suffered great personal losses in the Great War.

Unhappiness + desperation + propaganda + promises of a greater future (always at someone else's expense) = open door for an extremist, no-way-back power grab.

Whether you're goose stepping hard left or hard right, it works just the same.