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20 Feb 2021, 8:07 pm

I'm still posting here because there has been an attempt (from the usual source of this kind of narrative) to conflate the termination of QAnon crazies like Carano and her theories about trans people MAGA rioters with Star wars fans and their dislike for Kathleen Kennedy for ruining the Star Wars Universe. The two have no connection.



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21 Feb 2021, 1:38 pm



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21 Feb 2021, 3:28 pm

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Ben Shapiro's movie isn't going to be a blockbuster.



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21 Feb 2021, 4:51 pm

I don't understand how her remark was considered anti-semetic though. Just because she used Jewish people being persecuted as an example of persecution, how is that considered anti-semetic, just because you used it as an example?

For example, when my friend has conversations to people about people being abused, he will often use his Mom as an example since his Mom was abused by his Dad. But that doesn't make him 'anti-Mom', just because he used her as an example, of abuse, if that makes sense? Or am I seeing the comparison wrong?



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22 Feb 2021, 1:28 am

I think the scale of suffering/torture/killing of Jewish people in Nazi Germany is innapropriate to compare with the petulant ravings of spoilt, overindulged, privileged Trump fanatics. Carano has a screw loose.



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22 Feb 2021, 1:36 am

But according to this article, if it's true, she didn't actually mention nazi Germany:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7634131/gina ... ndalorian/

She just said Jews were beaten by their neighbors. But she didn't mention nazis at all, at least according to the article.



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22 Feb 2021, 2:10 am

ironpony wrote:
But according to this article, if it's true, she didn't actually mention nazi Germany:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7634131/gina ... ndalorian/

She just said Jews were beaten by their neighbors. But she didn't mention nazis at all, at least according to the article.


Doesn't matter, the Nazis were in control when the "neighbors" were beating up jews. The people doing the beating were infact members of the nazis. She was trying to compare Nazis with democrats. Not on...



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22 Feb 2021, 2:12 am

So you are saying that only the nazis persecuted Jews and no one else when she says neighbors? No neighbors of Jewish people outside the nazi party have ever persecuted Jewish people?

But also to say that she is using a far too extreme comparison, aren't democrats and republicans getting into fights in the streets with riots, and getting beat up in the streets, is the same one way or another? I mean it's still fighting and beating up, isn't it? What's the difference or distinction?



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22 Feb 2021, 3:46 am

ironpony wrote:
So you are saying that only the nazis persecuted Jews and no one else when she says neighbors? No neighbors of Jewish people outside the nazi party have ever persecuted Jewish people?

But also to say that she is using a far too extreme comparison, aren't democrats and republicans getting into fights in the streets with riots, and getting beat up in the streets, is the same one way or another? I mean it's still fighting and beating up, isn't it? What's the difference or distinction?

I believe the difference comes down to which side of politics is being "linked" with Germany (or at least its government) of the 1930's-mid 1940's.

As you may have noticed even on this site, if one side is linked with that regime there is "nothing wrong", and people feel free to make as many comments as they like referring to a link...If the other side is linked in any way to that regime, suddenly the comment making the link is "antisemetic" and (along with the author) must be supressed.

And in this case neither side was linked, but people made assumptions (presumably based upon their own obeservations\opinions)...



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22 Feb 2021, 4:01 am

Brictoria wrote:
As you may have noticed even on this site, if one side is linked with that regime there is "nothing wrong", and people feel free to make as many comments as they like referring to a link...If the other side is linked in any way to that regime, suddenly the comment making the link is "antisemetic" and (along with the author) must be supressed.

And in this case neither side was linked, but people made assumptions (presumably based upon their own obeservations\opinions)...


Just so there's no confusion, Disney and much of the global media (Chicago Times and BBC) were the ones who labelled Gina Carano's comments as "anti-Semitic". This wasn't just a label invented by members of the WP community to cancel Gina Carano. She was already cancelled.

Even her talent agency United Talent Agency (UTA) has dropped her from their books.



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22 Feb 2021, 5:01 am

cyberdad wrote:
Soliloquist wrote:


Ben Shapiro's movie isn't going to be a blockbuster.


It's just as well, then, that the video wasn't related to it for the most part (only discussed in a minor way for around 5 minutes)

It was an interesting video to watch, and also quite informative both regarding the recent events, and Ms Carano as a person as well.



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22 Feb 2021, 5:11 am

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
As you may have noticed even on this site, if one side is linked with that regime there is "nothing wrong", and people feel free to make as many comments as they like referring to a link...If the other side is linked in any way to that regime, suddenly the comment making the link is "antisemetic" and (along with the author) must be supressed.

And in this case neither side was linked, but people made assumptions (presumably based upon their own obeservations\opinions)...


Just so there's no confusion, Disney and much of the global media (Chicago Times and BBC) were the ones who labelled Gina Carano's comments as "anti-Semitic". This wasn't just a label invented by members of the WP community to cancel Gina Carano. She was already cancelled.

Even her talent agency United Talent Agency (UTA) has dropped her from their books.


Interesting: quibble over who first labelled the remark as "anti-semitic" (and nowhere was it suggested in the preceeding post that it was members here who came up with label - just that they used it), yet no denial that it is the "side" which is being linked with that particular regime that is the "problem" which was what was being described in that preceeding post.

It would be interesting (and potentially revealing) to go through this site's history to see how many of those complaining about a generic comment which didn't link either side of politics with that regime have also made posts linking a given side of politics to that regime in the past - and whether it was always the same side...



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22 Feb 2021, 5:32 am

Brictoria wrote:
It would be interesting (and potentially revealing) to go through this site's history to see how many of those complaining about a generic comment which didn't link either side of politics with that regime have also made posts linking a given side of politics to that regime in the past - and whether it was always the same side...


Interesting but pointless. Carano has been widely rebuked for her comments. Were her comments intentionally aimed at denigrating the experiences of Jewish people? probably not. She never came across as much of an intellectual (but then again most of Trump's supporters never do). She was using a textbook example of genocide to bolster a view that the republicans (specifically those who have regressive views on face-masks, trans-people, BLM and voter fraud) are being treated in the media and by liberals like the way Nazis treated Jews. Even you have to admit that's a mighty stretch of the bounds of credibility.



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22 Feb 2021, 9:39 am

Is Ms. Carano still unemployed?


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22 Feb 2021, 10:00 am

Well it just comes off as a huge double standard to me, because on social media, whenever someone is talking about people perscuting others in modern day America, the term nazi is the most common term thrown around, and it's the go to term, to use when calling someone out on persecuting others. So it's pretty popular to use that.

Then Gina Carano uses a naxism reference, and all of sudden it's controversial, if she does it. Why is she an exception to it compared to when everyone has been using it frequently on social media for the last year?



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22 Feb 2021, 10:14 am

You are mistaken.  The term "Nazi" has been controversial since the 1930s.  Ms. Carano embarrassed her employer, which chose to remove her from its employment.

Are you defending Ms. Carano and her racist rants?


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