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24 May 2021, 2:09 pm

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The "party flip" occurred about 1900 or so----because of the Republican's stance on the "gold standard" and the Democrat's desire for "free silver." It had a lot to do with monetary policy. The Republicans were more conservative in that respect.

The southern Democrats didn't make the "flip" until the 1970s.


There's been several significant realignments, the one you're describing is the one that preceded the 'fourth party system' but there's been at least two since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Party_System
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Party_System


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24 May 2021, 2:30 pm

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Even if there is such a thing as "White Privilege", So What?

No human society/civilization on Earth has ever been perfect. People of all races have survived and thrived.

Once white privilege has been engineered out of white people, will no other race have "privilege"?
It seems that the entire thing is more about revenge than equality.

"White privilege doesn't exist!"

"Even if it DID exist, it's no big deal!"

"Even if it IS a big deal, it's not the WORST thing!"

"Even if it IS the worst thing, it happens all the time, and people still survive and thrive!"

Well, if white privilege doesn't exist, AND it's no big deal, then why do people try to deny it's existence so very hard? If it's not real, AND no big deal, why worry about it, or the people talking about it? It's not real, so there's no point in arguing it, AND it's no big deal, so there's no point in getting into it.

I don't believe in *white privilege*, simply based on probability.

To believe in a universal privilege (advantage), you would have to believe there is a *thing* that absolutely produces an advantageous outcome.

*White privilege* theory appears to espouse the belief that poverty, hardship, adversity, difficulty, lack of comfort ... are absolutely disadvantageous things.

However, we know probability doesn't work that way.

What may be ruinous to one person, might propel another person.

For example, often when notable people share their wisdom, they may reveal that what seemed like a disadvantage at a time in their lives, turned out to be an advantage.

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24 May 2021, 3:09 pm

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To believe in a universal privilege (advantage), you would have to believe there is a *thing* that absolutely produces an advantageous outcome.


You have just made the perfect argument for cheating, doping in sports, and weighted dice. Fortunately, that argument has no merit.



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24 May 2021, 3:25 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
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To believe in a universal privilege (advantage), you would have to believe there is a *thing* that absolutely produces an advantageous outcome.


You have just made the perfect argument for cheating, doping in sports, and weighted dice. Fortunately, that argument has no merit.

Cheaters, dopers, weighted dice don't always win, they may even get disqualified/arrested.

So, they're not absolutely advantageous.

Nothing in this reality is, except having *white skin*. :) :)


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24 May 2021, 3:41 pm

First: changes definition
Second: see, refuted, ta-da!


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24 May 2021, 3:54 pm

The evidence for the existence of white privilege also implies the existence of Asian privilege, Jew privilege and maybe high caste Indian privilege. What's going on there and why does no one want to deal with that? I assume it's a racist conspiracy, naturally.


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24 May 2021, 3:57 pm

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The evidence for the existence of white privilege also implies the existence of Asian privilege, Jew privilege and maybe high caste Indian privilege. What's going on there and why does no one want to deal with that? I assume its a racist conspiracy, naturally.


Certainly outside of the west different privilege categories may exist and be relevant to the local situation. I'm not sure that's a shocking observation.


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24 May 2021, 4:21 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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The evidence for the existence of white privilege also implies the existence of Asian privilege, Jew privilege and maybe high caste Indian privilege. What's going on there and why does no one want to deal with that? I assume its a racist conspiracy, naturally.


Certainly outside of the west different privilege categories may exist and be relevant to the local situation. I'm not sure that's a shocking observation.


Also, aren't Jewish people white...?


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24 May 2021, 4:27 pm

Jews are not considered "white" by most "white supremacists."

There happen to be black Jews, too....though they are not really numerous.



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24 May 2021, 4:28 pm

I feel like the battle over the "gold standard" was the cause of the most significant "flip." This, basically, transposed the parties.



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24 May 2021, 5:12 pm

Mikah wrote:
The evidence for the existence of white privilege also implies the existence of Asian privilege, Jew privilege and maybe high caste Indian privilege. What's going on there and why does no one want to deal with that? I assume it's a racist conspiracy, naturally.


I guess you have never studied social science. Yes, there are biases in any condition. But who is the dominant group in a system and what influence do they have in a system?

Hey, but if you want to defend a biased system, that is fine, but it would be nice to come up with a better argument than false equivalency.



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24 May 2021, 5:38 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
Mikah wrote:
The evidence for the existence of white privilege also implies the existence of Asian privilege, Jew privilege and maybe high caste Indian privilege. What's going on there and why does no one want to deal with that? I assume it's a racist conspiracy, naturally.


I guess you have never studied social science. Yes, there are biases in any condition. But who is the dominant group in a system and what influence do they have in a system?

Hey, but if you want to defend a biased system, that is fine, but it would be nice to come up with a better argument than false equivalency.


What is the objective test for the presence of privilege in a society or any given group?

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Certainly outside of the west different privilege categories may exist and be relevant to the local situation. I'm not sure that's a shocking observation.


I'm talking about within the West.


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24 May 2021, 5:53 pm

If the white people consistently get better housing than black people----and the black people are steered towards lousier housing (yes, this happened in New York City), then there's at least somewhat objective evidence for "white privilege."

This doesn't mean that I advocate many of the "woke" solutions for this sort of situation.



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24 May 2021, 5:56 pm

Mikah wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
Mikah wrote:
The evidence for the existence of white privilege also implies the existence of Asian privilege, Jew privilege and maybe high caste Indian privilege. What's going on there and why does no one want to deal with that? I assume it's a racist conspiracy, naturally.


I guess you have never studied social science. Yes, there are biases in any condition. But who is the dominant group in a system and what influence do they have in a system?

Hey, but if you want to defend a biased system, that is fine, but it would be nice to come up with a better argument than false equivalency.


What is the objective test for the presence of privilege in a society or any given group?

funeralxempire wrote:
Certainly outside of the west different privilege categories may exist and be relevant to the local situation. I'm not sure that's a shocking observation.


I'm talking about within the West.


There are a lot of statistical tests. Regressions will do in many cases.



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24 May 2021, 6:06 pm

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If the white people consistently get better housing than black people----and the black people are steered towards lousier housing (yes, this happened in New York City), then there's at least somewhat objective evidence for "white privilege."


Is that a function of income?

Jiheisho wrote:
There are a lot of statistical tests. Regressions will do in many cases.


Can you give a few examples?


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24 May 2021, 6:13 pm

Frequently, it's not a function of income.

There have been MANY instances of white people making black people feel unwelcome. These black people were professionals, and earned decent salaries. Still, they had crosses burnt on their yards.