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Is being gay normal or wrong?
It's perfectly normal, of course! 31%  31%  [ 193 ]
It's perfectly normal, of course! 31%  31%  [ 194 ]
It's wrong and people should be punished for such sodomy! 5%  5%  [ 34 ]
It's wrong and people should be punished for such sodomy! 5%  5%  [ 34 ]
It's really none of my business. 14%  14%  [ 85 ]
It's really none of my business. 14%  14%  [ 85 ]
Total votes : 625

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25 Jul 2005, 1:19 pm

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Why, *of course*, dear vetivert! Don'tcha know it's just us deviants, perverts, and eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil, foul, hell-bent sinners who like sex for its own sake? :twisted: :roll:


tsk, tsk. silly me. i was forgetting i was a deviant, pervert, and eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil, foul, hell-bent sinner, for a moment there.

and there was me thinking i was just a normal, healthy, human being...



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25 Jul 2005, 1:31 pm

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and there was me thinking i was just a normal, healthy, human being...


Newp...not according to some of these folks, that's for sure! :( You heathen, you! :lol:


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25 Jul 2005, 2:04 pm

As long as we can agree to disagree. :D



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25 Jul 2005, 3:49 pm

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vetivert wrote:
and there was me thinking i was just a normal, healthy, human being...


Newp...not according to some of these folks, that's for sure! :( You heathen, you! :lol:


sigh. i'm NOT a heathen - they're a different flavour of pagan altogether - men wearing hairy frocks, as far as i can see. one offered to rub chamomile toothpaste on my eczema, once, whilst leering. there's no telling, with some people. (you'll be relieved to hear that i refused his offer).



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25 Jul 2005, 4:39 pm

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one offered to rub chamomile toothpaste on my eczema, once, whilst leering. there's no telling, with some people. (you'll be relieved to hear that i refused his offer).


8O Alas, my life's far more boring than I ever imagined. :(


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26 Jul 2005, 12:32 am

Just to address a few notions on this page:

I agree that the title and poll of this thread are calculated to provoke. I don't know why people express surprise or dismay about it. There are of other 'friendly' threads like 'any gay people here'.

I don't see it as homosexuals wanting equal rights, they want more. They already have more. Higher earnings, a notion of 'homophobia' which makes it illegal for anyone to criticize them. Straights and asexuals don't have this. I would like to belong to such a group, the extra priveleges would be nice! not to mention the money!

Well people are entitled to believe what they want, it's just that I don't like having others beliefs imposed upon me either.



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26 Jul 2005, 12:55 am

But the thing is, there's plenty of homosexuals who aren't like that, who have to suffer the stereotype that you've given them, because the gays you hear about are like that.

The media wants you to think that people go too far, because that's their way of sweeping it under the carpet. The stuff you hear on TV does not reflect reality. Homophobia is still a big problem but the commercial stations who are secretly homophobic but won't admit it want you to believe that it's not common when it's part of everyday life.

I know it goes too far sometimes, but it would still be a s**t life to be a homosexual, although probably still not as bad as any of us. Although a gay aspie will have real problems... The media wants you to believe that more gay people take it too far when in reality many people aren't like that.

When I was at school, homophobia was so bad that anyone who wasn't homophobic would be accused of being gay...

I mean, if you were gay, would you like people telling you that you're a whiner with too much rights and suffer prejudice and abuse because no one believes it's real... I think anyone with AS can relate to exactly the same situation.

People can be born with all kinds of defects, so the chance of having a different sexuality is one of them, and it has been proven in the way people's brains have been developed that gay people don't choose their sexuality and more than us straight people do.

I was once a homophobe too when I went to school, but the thing I learnt is that whether it's racism or homophobia or harrassing an aspie, putting people down doesn't do any good, and the pleasure you get in the suffering of others isn't worht it, because it will only justify people doing to you, and if people didn't do it it wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

Homosexuality is only a problem if you make it one. The fact that you're criticizing all these stereotypes is the real problem, because it gives gay people who aren't like that a bad name. And there's plenty of them, but the media likes to present it in a way otherwise.



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26 Jul 2005, 1:06 am

well said, thatrsdude, although i did cringe a bit at your use of the word "defect".



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26 Jul 2005, 1:24 am

Rudedude: You haven't really addressed the notion that homosexuals have legal priveleges others don't, it's not only 'some' homosexuals who have the legal concept of 'homophobia' to give them a protected status I and others don't.

I don't think repeating banal victim narratives really contributes to the debate, I think most of us can take that as a given response.



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26 Jul 2005, 1:52 am

Rudedude?! That's a bit ironic to call me. But anyway...

What legal privileges do they have? If I knew I could comment. But if they do, don't blame every homosexual for it.

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well said, thatrsdude, although i did cringe a bit at your use of the word "defect".


I couldn't think of any better way to put it. I do agree, so don't take it too literally.



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26 Jul 2005, 2:03 am

i haven't, don't worry - the rest of your post made far too much sense for me to get too twitchy about it :)



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26 Jul 2005, 2:13 am

I think my point was that whether you call it a defect or whatever, it exists, and I was just giving one way of looking at it. What I suppose I mean is that with every element to how people are born, there will always be people who aren't born like the majority, and sexuality is one of them, and it's people like that that make the world a more interesting place.

Even if homosexuality is a choice, it's people's own lives if they want to do that that's their business. There's much worse problems in this world, and anyone who ever treats it like the big deal many homophobes do is ridiculously hypocritical (including religious views).



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26 Jul 2005, 2:37 am

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I don't see it as homosexuals wanting equal rights, they want more. They already have more. Higher earnings, a notion of 'homophobia' which makes it illegal for anyone to criticize them. Straights and asexuals don't have this. I would like to belong to such a group, the extra priveleges would be nice! not to mention the money!

Well people are entitled to believe what they want, it's just that I don't like having others beliefs imposed upon me either.

8O It's illegal to critisize homosexuality there too? I thought those laws were still only found in a couple of Northwestern European countries with some really crazy far left politics going on??? I'm just glad that such thinking has not reached here yet, but that may require taking measures that I cannot speak of openly here to prevent. :evil:



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26 Jul 2005, 2:47 am

It's not illegal to criticize homosexuality, it's just that if you do you're at risk of someone accusing you of being homophobic. But that's the same anywhere.



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26 Jul 2005, 10:06 am

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I thought those laws were still only found in a couple of Northwestern European countries with some really crazy far left politics going on??? I'm just glad that such thinking has not reached here yet, but that may require taking measures that I cannot speak of openly here to prevent. :evil:


"Crazy far left politics"? You silly little narrow-minded Neo-Con, you... I actually feel sorry for you, Sean. :(


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26 Jul 2005, 10:10 am

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...Higher earnings...


And how is it that this is necessarily tied to their homosexuality? Perhaps some people, gay, straight, and otherwise, strive to better themselves through education, etc., and aren't content to sit burping, farting, and guzzling cheap beer in their trailers in front of Jerry Springer all day, every day... :wink: :P


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