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Accepting a person is born a certain manner, or so chooses to live a certain manner, does not mean that I should accept their decisions. I accept the fact they are, I don't accept what they want to be. Where have I advocated harming others?


When something becomes acceptable, what is to stop the many of people to choose it? The lifestyle should not be encouraged because many might just fall into the temptation to do drastic lifestyle changes and come out regretting it in the end. The way it is today, at least those who want to choose to.

About my clothings?

Geez, people, the way you're going after oscuria like mad dogs makes me wonder if I should make a thread and poll asking if we should bring back "witch burning"!

Lighten up, all you "tolerant" bigots! You're singling him out the same way you critcize doing!

I made that point very early in this thread.


If we are suppose to be the truly peaceful, democratic, and tolerant society that we are, we should accept the fact that not all of us are in agreement in point of view.

As long as the issue is on the platform, or the table so to speak, I will advocate against it. Doing so makes me a bigot, a homophobic, an (insert profanity), a racist (huh?), et al. That is the punishment for not following the liberal line.


How liberal can a person be? To the point where even our liberties are to be liberally interpreted every generation?

QFT




Again, just shows your ignorance. There are major checks they have to go through over a long period of time before sex-change operations are granted, including mental health checks, seeing numerous psychiatrists and doctors, talking to family etc about the person's behaviour, etc etc. These ops aren't handed out like candy - they're very difficult to get and there are major, major hoops to jump through to prove you aren't just going to change your mind afterwards.




Not all of us are in agreement, and that's fine. It's when people push their views on other people and attempt to get them legislated and lawful discrimination put in place that we revert back to the dark ages and other innocent people lose out once more, purely because other people don't like what they do - if it doesn't hurt other people and is within reason, there's no reason for it to be illegal. Homosexuals and trans-sexuals - which are two totally different groups of people - are not hurting other people by being such, so why make it illegal or deny them any rights based on their sexuality?

Based on their sexuality or the practice that they want to change which was not meant for such sexuality?

That's a very funny analogy for obvious reasons. It says on your profile that you think you might have AS, and if that is so I'd think you'd be more sympathetic toward people who don't feel comfortable with who they are vs. what society thinks they should be. I know you can go into that and say that that's a poor point in encouraging transsexualism, and that's not what I'm doing, but it's the same concept in terms of people not feeling comfortable with their place in society.


Why? Because it doesn't fit your holy image of what marriage should be?


What's the difference? I consider who I am how I currently act and think, and what I want to be. That's like saying, "I accept that you're gay, I just don't want you to be with people of the same gender." You're not accepting that they're gay.


What practice? Are you saying you don't like transsexuals because you're bothered by the idea of people with artificial bodies having sex?

You know this thread would die if people just stopped responding to my comments and asking for a reply. After all, it is becoming a broken record with me repeating myself.

1) I am comfortable with myself and my placement in society. I am aware that I am not like others. I am not forcing myself on the people., my personality keeps me from it. I expect people not to expect the same from me.

2) No, because it is a stupid question.

3) No, you accept the fact that they have emotions which make the person a homosexual, yet you are still adverse to the fact that the person is a practicing homosexual. I see no contradiction. If I had a "gay" child I would advice him not to live his life as a homosexual. If he goes against my word that's his business but he shouldn't expect me to be overjoyed when hearing news of him "finding the right one." If I find homosexuality to be straying from the path, how can I be accepting of the practice? I can accept that he is who he is, but I can't or shouldn't accept the decisions that he makes.

4) Transsexualism goes against nature. If a man was meant to be a woman he would have been born as such. If a woman was meant to be a man she would have been born as such. Why should I accept a practice which goes against this fundamental? Because a person is shallow and selfish that he/she feels the need to change what he/she was born as? I don't see a reason to be sympathetic. I wouldn't advice a relative of mine to embrace the "inner female" inside him by dressing like a woman or getting a sex operation. That in my opinion is not helping.


I accept the fact that I am who I am with faults like every man; I need not be like anyone else, I need not take after anyone else.

They don't want to change anything; they are as they are. You're heterosexual - great! They're homosexual - great! Neither of you can help it, neither of you can change it, it'd go against nature to make them engage in heterosexual practices, or even deny their homosexual urges. It's how they are.

To put it another way, it'd be like forcing you to be NT because autism goes against nature - you'd probably scream to high heaven that you are how you are and you don't go against nature and that you were meant to be that way, just as they would that they are homosexual and they were meant for such sexuality and you can't change it and it's how they are, and why can't you just accept it... There is no difference.

As an aspie and someone who's been likely discriminated against more than your fair share, you should probably understand this better than most. That's what I can't understand.

You would advise him to go against his nature. Maybe if he wasn't "meant to be" a homosexual, he wouldn't have been born one.


Why?


What did I say?


What is this path? Because you should value his relationships over whatever other inhumane values you feel so compelled to stick to.

I agree with LeKiwi. And I want to know: What would you do if you were homosexual?

I haven't advocated in changing homosexuals. I acknowledge its something that occurs within a species (as well as bestiality which too occurs). I don't know much about the religious groups who go about "converting" gays and lesbians, neither do I care. I am not here to convert.

What do you mean by "to be NT"? I've never fully understood the word and I don't quite get it. If by going with the lay term of it I see NT-ness in many of the posters here.

And I don't know about my "aspieness" either. I consider myself if I were to assign myself a disorder a schizoid. I try to attract as little attention from people as possible. It is how I view people should live, instead of going about running around and screaming about a lifestyle that is ridiculous in my opinion (I have stereotypes in mind to clarify).









1a: How would asking a person to be celibate be going against his nature? We are humans with self-composure not animals in heat. How many people here do not have sex? Are they going against nature?

1b: How does removing the genitals classify as natural? It is the same with circumcision. How can it be?


2: Because it is ridiculous.


3: The You was italicized which was my attempt at a general meaning. It wasn't you specifically.


4: I shouldn't value anyones relationship, and I shouldn't value anyones lifestyle. To say so is a perversion of what "Love" and "Caring" is.
Why should I accept a prostitute daughter, a transsexual son, and an adulterous wife? Because "You're supposed to love them, care for them, and accept they made a mistake . . . no matter what!"?

No.

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What would you do if you were a monkey?

What kind of question is this? What I am wondering is why does a person who rarely posts here feel so interesting in participating in a thread with "heated" discussions?

Oh, well I guess that's what homosexuality means, but I mean you should support people of the same gender being together because of love not sex. And I think people's orientation determines who they love too cause if it doesn't there would be a lot more homosexuals cause I don't think people are that shallow.

Fine I agree with your opinion on transsexuals.

"Absurd","stupid", and "ridiculous" do not classify as explanations. Do you think it's ridiculous for old people to get married?

You should value everyone's relationships. You should respect people's lifestyles, unless of course they involve adultery or the like.

Would you feel it wrong to be in a relationship with another man?

Cause I felt like it. What kind of question is this? Are you telling me not to post here?

"Homosexual" is a tricky definition. A person today who is celibate yet is only attracted to men is called a homosexual, wasn't always the case.
I don't believe marriage is always about love.
People are very shallow.


I am of the opinion that a man and a woman should remain married. If in case of a partner dying I find it more honorable to remain unmarried. There are however reasons to remarry. What do I have to answer for the old?


Different understanding in the meaning of value. I have always made the point to state that my way of living, my morality, and most truly my belief is not for everyone. This however does not deny me of any right to speak out and people should be mature enough to handle such discussions without the need to throw around insults or petty "death-wishes."







I never had any desire to be with a man. i cannot possibly answer such a question.


It was a question out of curiosity considering how low your post count is, and the topic you decided to participate in.