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30 Aug 2008, 8:53 am

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Hell is a club as well.


Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

But seriously, you're probably deluding yourself


That's not for you to decide, is it?



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30 Aug 2008, 8:53 am

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Hell is a club as well.


"I'm sorry. You picked the wrong religion."


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30 Aug 2008, 9:14 am

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Does worshipping The Flying Spaghetti monster make me a Satanist or a Pastafarian, or both?


It makes you a time-waster.



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30 Aug 2008, 9:15 am

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Hell is a club as well.


"I'm sorry. You picked the wrong religion."


Hell is a club for sinners. It's not just Christians who talk about hell.



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30 Aug 2008, 9:17 am

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Hell is a club as well.


"I'm sorry. You picked the wrong religion."


Rather, "You've rejected the correct one." Also, I view lazy
Churchians to blame for the lost who haven't heard the Gospel.



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30 Aug 2008, 9:23 am

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When I was a bit younger and had more active glands I worshipped Marilyn Monroe and Groucho Marx (in different manners, of course). Does that make me a Satanist?


No. Not unless they were your gods of evil.



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ORLY..........so what exactly is the definition of Satanism? If things have arbitrary definitions based on different frame of referrence than as far as logic and consistency is concerned they're effectively meaningless and arbitrary!

Well, I would argue that Satanism could be taken as servitude to the devil or perhaps even some reverence for the perversions of the devil(it could be argued that Atheists are idolators and that is why they reject God), just as Christianity could be taken as servitude to God. The issue of arbitrary definitions only is an issue when you are working within a system, definitions are globally arbitrary, but they must be systemically coherent.
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This almost comes across to me as a being in the same vein as postmodernism, which claims incorrectly that truth, facts, and definitions are relative. What prompts you to be an apologist for christian fundamentalists and their blatantly irrational(nottomention inconsistent)beliefs might I ask? Satanism is clearly the reverrence for and/or active worship of Satan. This cannot apply to atheists as Satan and God are mythical beings that are excluded from the atheist worldview. End of Story. :wink:

Well, it is in the same vein of postmodernism, and that does not make it wrong. Truth, facts, and definitions can be understood as relative to the system that one is currently accepting for those things. How could they not be? Definitions are an arbitrary human invention, it can be bent and twisted according to our will and system, and to be honest, most words have multiple definitions, some of which are only used by special groups of people. Facts are merely the output of an epistemic system, the issue is that there cannot be a meta-epistemology because how does one stand above one's own ability to gain knowledge and analyze it neutrally? This means that epistemology can be taken as an output from whatever epistemology a being arbitrarily chooses to accept. What about truth? Still a part of the epistemology on the nature of that truth and so on and so forth, if truth is the output of a system of knowing, and the system of knowing cannot be critiqued other than on consistency to itself or the arbitrary intuitions of man, then truth continues onto arbitrariness. Everything is thus as clear as mud.



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30 Aug 2008, 9:51 am

MissPickwickian wrote:
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Hell is a club as well.


"I'm sorry. You picked the wrong religion."

Well, it is just like a game show. You know how people like game shows? We are made in God's image, so he likes them too! That is also why some incredibly terrible things happen to some people, God likes Japanese game shows.



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30 Aug 2008, 9:54 am

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There was a time when professing your non-belief would get you burned at the stake, but the 21st century is obviously a differerent time.

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?


It's both, I think. :?



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30 Aug 2008, 11:09 am

Without elaboration I doubt you think.



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30 Aug 2008, 11:21 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
MissPickwickian wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Hell is a club as well.


"I'm sorry. You picked the wrong religion."


Rather, "You've rejected the correct one." Also, I view lazy
Churchians to blame for the lost who haven't heard the Gospel.


I just feel sorry for the people who were born before Jesus. And stillborn babies (in addition, those aborted fetuses you all won't shut up about don't get baptized). And Africans before the Christian world knew that Africa existed. Your God is wildly unfair and arbitrary, and I generally choose not to worship a-holes who strike people down for masturbating.


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30 Aug 2008, 11:25 am

MissPickwickian wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
MissPickwickian wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Hell is a club as well.


"I'm sorry. You picked the wrong religion."


Rather, "You've rejected the correct one." Also, I view lazy
Churchians to blame for the lost who haven't heard the Gospel.


I just feel sorry for the people who were born before Jesus. And stillborn babies (in addition, those aborted fetuses you all won't shut up about don't get baptized). And Africans before the Christian world knew that Africa existed. Your God is wildly unfair and arbitrary, and I generally choose not to worship a-holes who strike people down for masturbating.


Don't mistake church policies for God's policies. God and Church are not the same thing.



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30 Aug 2008, 11:29 am

slowmutant wrote:
MissPickwickian wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
MissPickwickian wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Hell is a club as well.


"I'm sorry. You picked the wrong religion."


Rather, "You've rejected the correct one." Also, I view lazy
Churchians to blame for the lost who haven't heard the Gospel.


I just feel sorry for the people who were born before Jesus. And stillborn babies (in addition, those aborted fetuses you all won't shut up about don't get baptized). And Africans before the Christian world knew that Africa existed. Your God is wildly unfair and arbitrary, and I generally choose not to worship a-holes who strike people down for masturbating.


Don't mistake church policies for God's policies. God and Church are not the same thing.

Perhaps not now, but in ancient times, it was.


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30 Aug 2008, 11:37 am

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Perhaps not now, but in ancient times, it was.


If anyone could know the Mind of God -which is impossible in any timeframe- they could draft church policies to perfectly reflect His will. That's the classic stumbling block, though. Human beings can create churches and church-policies on what they believe is God's will, but unless you are God Himself your understanding is obviously limited.

The modern church is a reflection of the modern man. Maybe it more reflects man than it does God. I don't know.

Such are the mysteries and challenges of the spiritual life.



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30 Aug 2008, 11:39 am

Since you disregard church policies you must then decide for yourself what does and does not please your God. Therefore you follow no human authority - is that right?



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30 Aug 2008, 11:50 am

Obviously not. It's not that I embrace one to abandon the other. But of course I don't hold church authorities in higher esteem than God Himself. Nor am I like Joan of Arc, who refused to recognize any authority other than God Himself.