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22 Sep 2008, 4:53 pm

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I'm sure you use internet and "youtube" clips to back up sh** that are comfortable to you. Hell if not then why would you be here?
Your just proving my statements right on the "Religious people and their gods have no standard for truth..." thread. Your not looking for truth, your only looking for something that is comfortable to you, and if your shown proof that isn't comfortable, you turn your head. Book smarts doesn't equal life smarts, or street smarts. It only goes to figure those who are "exerts" in books are idiots in life.

ps- before you go off on a limb trying to categorize me as a conspiracy theorist, I don't believe we were put here by aliens, and by now I should have proven that an OPEN AGENDA exists against us.

So know you're trying to invalidate intellectuals and because they dont have "street smarts"? :roll:

Tell me though: Just exactly HOW does the HAARP affect weather? In particular, how does RF radiation cause large-scale changes in atmospheric pressure?

No, I'm making an example of your idiocy, I gave you a link where the guy is admitting this sh** and all you can do is intellectual acrobatics to ignore it. I don't know the exact science behind the HAARP, I'm not a weapons scientist. But I don't need to be. He's admitting this.
Plato wrote a book called Republic where he explained how they'd set up "The Great Work" (matrix), he described civilization like a bee colony. We bottom feeders in the system are "worker bees", politicians/celebrities etc are drones, and the ruling elite are royalty. Read books from Albert Pike (Morals and Dogma), Francis Bacon, Lord Bertrand Russel, Zgniew Brzenzski (who is now Obama's advisor, read Between Two Ages), Charles Darwin, all "elites" mostly all freemasons, they too quote Plato, and make constant refference to the bee order. How's that for intellect? Yeah, I have book smarts, but book smarts are worthless if you don't have life smarts.

I am Not a platonist, I am a Hobbsist(and a Socratic) mind you

. Anyway, what is the origin of this video? While it has the appearance of congressional hearing, if it was, are there any referrences that such a hearing took place? I also had a look at the *video info* section posted by the user responsible for putting this vid on youtube and I kid you not, here is a snippet:

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Using Nicola Tesla inventions and blueprints - who they killed in a car accident, the very first car accident ever recorded.

They have made a weapon SO great and so dangerous, a weapon that can control the very weather around us

They are now using it on us as part of their depopulation plans
Such plans are Agenda 21
Bluebeam and many others
Proof is all around us,
Earth Quakes hitting mainly schools in China
The Tsunami that recenlty hit even Katrina can be traced back to HAARP and CHEMTRAILS

Im sorry, but Tsunami's are triggered by earthquakes and do you have ANY idea how much force is required to produce an earthquake as strong as the one that happened on 12-26-04??? We would be talking about THOUSANDS of MEGATONS of force!!
To suggest that the HAARP transmitter outputs that much energy...WHERE would this energy come from?

Actually there's tons of evidence for weather control.. It even shows some of that in the very first video of this thread.

you people must have serious brain damage.. you can't deny the weather control agenda any longer. If you do, then you belong in a zoo with the other uncomprehending beasts..

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22 Sep 2008, 4:58 pm

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*SIGH*

There is NO New World Order! Thats just dated 90s conspiracy bullshit.

If there is no NWO, then explain this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGM9POWc-C4

There you have it, right out of the horses mouth, no room for interpretation. Deny that!

How do you explain that? Who was that? It seemed he was testifying before Congress, but Congressional hearings present a wide range of opinions. Perhaps we can agree that the video snippet proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that some people are making allegations that there is a NWO.

Some very powerful, wealthy people. Here is Henry Kissinger talking about it OPENLY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bKwH3kJew4

Sorry, Kissinger did not use the term to refer to a shawowy society of uber-rich blood drinking overlords, and that was not a confession that your theories are correct. A new world order can mean that things change. Compared to the 1950s and British colonialism, there is a new world order. Compared to the fiefdoms of medieval Europe, there is a new world order.

He admitted that the outline of the New World Order is there, and admitted that the possibility is great.. nothing more? but also nothing less. Don't twist it in a way to make it seem like he was talking about something different.. Maybe he forgot his tinfoil hat at home? and thats why you dont believe him? he doesn't fit the stereotype?

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22 Sep 2008, 5:02 pm

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You want proof nations don't exist? The arms industry is international, and they sell weapons to all parties in military conflicts. That alone tells you someone is working higher than national levels, and war in itself is a business. Which means soldiers are pawns, and Henry Kissinger has even admitted this..... Being able to have large capacity and hide behind a large vocabulary and elaborate sentence structures doesn't make you "intellectual", it means you have book smarts.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the world is ran like a business. And that power corrupts, any idiot knows this. The dishonest man gets ahead in the business world.

Yes, I've read tons about this... not to mention, about everybody knows already that Bush's family paid money to Hitler, and also that he has connections to Osama Bin Laden.. gee, pattern?.. 9/11 de-bunkers, fuck yourself.

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22 Sep 2008, 5:05 pm

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Why cant we focus on REAL conspiracies people??? Like the soviet sub that sank of Hawaii 40 years ago due to an missile launch attempt that went awry(it blew up inside of the missile tube)....

Start your own thread then..

you people go around ruining threads and discrediting everything.. who do you work for?.. are you THAT dense or do you actually have an operating brain that can comprehend what's going on and just refuse to? These are new things that make me wonder... I would love to know who you people actually are.. your level of incomprehension is astounding, truly.. the facts remain before your eyes, but you filter out what you don't want to see... when a theory is presented to you, instead of listening and inspiring discussion which can also be civilized debate, you oppose it with the full voice of authority.

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22 Sep 2008, 5:06 pm

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Smeary, greasy brown 'rainbows'? Dark grey unlike any cloud I've ever seen?

We know that engine exhaust can cause smog - this is often brown or reddish-brown. The culprits there include nitric oxides and sulfur oxides, which are photo-catalyzed to other molecules. Last time I flew into Chicago, the whole city was covered with a greasy brown haze.

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Every airplane is equipped with several engines that are burning fuels and emitting exhaust fumes. Most of the exhaust is water vapor, which quickly turns to ice crystals in the upper atmosphere. This exhaust can be seen as contrails or line clouds formed behind the airplane as it flies overhead. Aircraft engines emit carbon particles, sulfur dioxides, and oxides of nitrogen. Carbon monoxide emitted from planes accounts for ~3% of the planet-wide total of this pollutant. The quantity of pollutants emitted changes each time the plane is flown, since aircraft performance changes with pressure and temperature, therefore measurements of pollution aren't easily made.

http://www.wunderground.com/health/pollutionfaq.asp

We don't need false scientific analysis by you or anyone... all we need is this link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGM9POWc-C4

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22 Sep 2008, 5:13 pm

there already is a new world order. the order of the world has been vastly reshaped by the internet and by the amount of information now readily available.

unfortunately it also means that things like this can get rolling and gain popularity.

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22 Sep 2008, 5:14 pm

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What are these 'chemtrails' made of?

Vaporous oceans, esoteric potions and palimpsest notions.

There was a certain mindset in the world for a very long time. The demesne of night, the unsettled lands, the village over the hill.. were the domain of infernal powers. People believed in faeries, ghosts and that "the devil struts his wide estates", and they cleaved tight to their homes, churches and lords.

Now its come full circle and the authorities are those believed up to nefarious deeds. Sometimes they are said to be aliens in disguise.

Even then only certain people could "see the truth". They used feelings and instincts to codify the world. They connected things symbolically. For instance, the vapours of a rotting body could cause you to become evil, because rot was corruption of the perfect form devised by god. Likewise, an evil person would have physically twisted children.

Today, the people making these videos seem equally uninterested in subjective tests and more about emotive reasoning. For some reason, the memes of bogey-men, unspeakable acts and humors in the air causing madness, evil and pain have persisted.

I can also see it in the description of "the greys". Those supposed aliens sound a lot like old time descriptions of elves and faeries. Big eyes, Pale skin, thin bodies. They sometimes glow, they come down from the skies. They too spirit people away, replace them with changelings, dopplegangers, mark them, possess them and try to subvert society.

It seems to be taking them a very long time...

There is a huge game being played... the amount of propaganda being output form the secret society controlling the world is more enormous then the amount being output from regular freethinking people.. the problem is, some people actually fall for this stuff, and im guilty.. but I search hard for the truth, when I know there wil be obstacles in the way.. im starting to believe that the presence of aliens is truly propaganda, and that this is something that the secret society has instilled in us...

But there is a huge connection between imagination and history.. the only problem is it requires an imagination to comprehend life. There is many layers being played within this secret society, and at face level is the layer that the masses understand, the layer that they are programmed to accept.

The mass has a beta mind, and they simply can't connect the dots, because it requires a greater comprehension to understand the layers deeper then what is on the surface. Images are the most powerful medium of brainwashing, and they even saturate the internet with pornography to brainwash people.. haven't you wondered why there is so many sex crimes nowadays? Pornography is a great brainwashing tool.

So is your brain truly superior, or do you lack something?.. Imagination is proven to be a very good, very healthy thing, and here you are downplaying it like it's the root cause of propaganda.. the propaganda originates with the secret society, the ONLY true secret society controlling the world..

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22 Sep 2008, 5:14 pm

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So who's behind it then?.. surely not me. I didn't start this. did you?

Or did they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGM9POWc-C4

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22 Sep 2008, 5:20 pm

Puzzling Evidence from David Byrne - Is it too late ???

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2TyF1CbsDs[/youtube]

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22 Sep 2008, 5:23 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGM9POWc-C4[/youtube]

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22 Sep 2008, 5:26 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

So who's behind it then?.. surely not me. I didn't start this. did you?

Or did they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGM9POWc-C4

who's in the video? job history? what their sources?

where's the proof? anyone can testify. evangelicals do it all the time, their god is still fake as ever.

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22 Sep 2008, 5:35 pm

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So who's behind it then?.. surely not me. I didn't start this. did you?

Or did they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGM9POWc-C4

who's in the video? job history? what their sources?

where's the proof? anyone can testify. evangelicals do it all the time, their god is still fake as ever.

Anyone can testify, that's right.. do you need their names?.. what difference does it make if they have names? it's clip from a congress hearing of some sort. And it is very clear that they are talking about harmful weather control.

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22 Sep 2008, 5:54 pm

ShawnWilliam wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

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So who's behind it then?.. surely not me. I didn't start this. did you?

Or did they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGM9POWc-C4

who's in the video? job history? what their sources?

where's the proof? anyone can testify. evangelicals do it all the time, their god is still fake as ever.

can you even prove it's a congressional clip?

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22 Sep 2008, 6:06 pm

skafather84 wrote:

ShawnWilliam wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

ShawnWilliam wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

So who's behind it then?.. surely not me. I didn't start this. did you?

Or did they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGM9POWc-C4

who's in the video? job history? what their sources?

where's the proof? anyone can testify. evangelicals do it all the time, their god is still fake as ever.

can you even prove it's a congressional clip?

Can you even admit that it's evidence?

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22 Sep 2008, 6:45 pm

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I too have an ADV DIP Health Sciences Naturopathy and I really hope you go about persuading non believers of the benefits of our branch of medicine in a more scientific and less emotive way

Ahh, don't you worry about that one my friend.

Despite my numerous posts here, this isn't really something I'm particularly interested in as more than a curiosity. I'd love to know what they are, I have a few ideas, I could well be wrong, but at the end of the day I'm sick of these big trails ruining my sunbathing hours - it seems like every time the sun comes out there are fake clouds covering the sky within two hours!! I want my Vitamin D, mr plane!!

Natural medicine, on the other hand... I'll rarely post anything without links to studies and documentation in the 'big' journals, and usually end up with whopping great posts - the first half in 'laymens terms', the second with all the gory nitty-gritty details for those who care about the processes that go in the body. It's been my 'obsession' for years now which is why I'm studying it properly, and I think in the current climate with so many things being pushed on us, least of all Codex, and so much regulation in the pipeline you've gotta be pretty onto it and ready with the studies and proof. The more empirical evidence there is and the more it's known, the more hope the industry will have and the more people will reap the many benefits of the many approaches to holistic medicine. Thankfully I think Australasia is one of the best places to be for it though, would you agree?

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22 Sep 2008, 6:49 pm

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Why cant we focus on REAL conspiracies people??? Like the soviet sub that sank of Hawaii 40 years ago due to an missile launch attempt that went awry(it blew up inside of the missile tube)....

Because they're boring!! :lol:

HAARP scares the s**t out of me though... I'm really surprised how little publicity it gets. A little more though now, thanks to the wonderful Matt Bellamy and Muse

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