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04 Jun 2009, 4:00 pm

Is this just another religion thread?

Yes. Another pseudo-intellectual attempt to get e-cred. These things are so common they could be used as currency.

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04 Jun 2009, 4:00 pm

Is this just another religion thread?

Yes. Another pseudo-intellectual attempt to get e-cred. These things are so common they could be used as currency.

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04 Jun 2009, 4:10 pm

twoshots wrote:

Shadowgirl wrote:

cognito wrote:

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ikorack wrote:

If god didn't make evil the world would be boring confusing and bland, and why would god design a piece of crap(metaphorically).

Satan is the evil we live in this world with. Not God.

god made satan, therefore, by his nature, god is an evil malicious person

Satan turned against God and he banished him from Heaven. You act as if you have read the Bible then you should know that.

Where is this story found in the Bible?

Luke 10:18

Isaiah 14:12-14

Rev. 12:7-9

Matt. 25:41

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04 Jun 2009, 4:25 pm

Try not to worry about it, as none of these characters actually exist, in all probability.

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04 Jun 2009, 5:30 pm

Shadowgirl wrote:

Luke 10:18

Isaiah 14:12-14

Rev. 12:7-9

Matt. 25:41

Thanks. I'll look into these later; the Isaiah quote probably is still describing the account of Lucifer with no indication that he is one and the same with Satan, but the other three likely do treat them as the same, I would guess.

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04 Jun 2009, 6:20 pm

z0rp wrote:

Shadowgirl wrote:

cognito wrote:

Shadowgirl wrote:

ikorack wrote:

If god didn't make evil the world would be boring confusing and bland, and why would god design a piece of crap(metaphorically).

Satan is the evil we live in this world with. Not God.

god made satan, therefore, by his nature, god is an evil malicious person

Satan turned against God and he banished him from Heaven. You act as if you have read the Bible then you should know that.

But did God not make Satan? And also, does God not know everything? So God knew prior to making Satan that all the future events would occur.

Maybe he made him anyways for fun.(have you ever strapped an M80 to something knowing it would blow up.)

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05 Jun 2009, 5:56 pm

ikorack wrote:

z0rp wrote:

Shadowgirl wrote:

cognito wrote:

Shadowgirl wrote:

ikorack wrote:

If god didn't make evil the world would be boring confusing and bland, and why would god design a piece of crap(metaphorically).

Satan is the evil we live in this world with. Not God.

god made satan, therefore, by his nature, god is an evil malicious person

Satan turned against God and he banished him from Heaven. You act as if you have read the Bible then you should know that.

But did God not make Satan? And also, does God not know everything? So God knew prior to making Satan that all the future events would occur.

Maybe he made him anyways for fun.(have you ever strapped an M80 to something knowing it would blow up.)

so god, who has an entire would to deal with, creates satan for s**ts and giggles? Ya, real loving guy

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05 Jun 2009, 6:07 pm

The view of Satan varies in the Bible; in e.g., Job, Satan is not a being who is portrayed as violating God's will at all, and in several verses God Himself is described as the creator of both good and harm/calamity (KJV: "evil"). See, especially, the second paragraph of the entry in the Jewish Encyclopedia article on him.

The Old Testament especially tended to be more monist. The imposition of a modern dualistic ethical theory seems fundamentally inappropriate to my mind.

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05 Jun 2009, 8:28 pm

I believe there is a God. I believe God to be a form of something existing. Yet, for some reason humans WANT to think it's all loveing, pampering, and what have you. We human kind also wants to think it's as 'smart' or primative as us, and something that actualy experiances emotion. I don't believe that. Things are as they are. What purpose does nature actualy serve besides... existing anyway? Are most people trying to fill the blanks?

And yeah, about Satan. Again something non humanoid, supposedly being talked about like it's humanoid. For some strange reason, most people think the critter in the garden of Eden was Satan, when really it isn't specified.

I don't get how people keep assumeing a God is all loveing or hateing. Makes no sence to me, really.

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06 Jun 2009, 12:51 am

cognito wrote:

ikorack wrote:

z0rp wrote:

Shadowgirl wrote:

cognito wrote:

Shadowgirl wrote:

ikorack wrote:

If god didn't make evil the world would be boring confusing and bland, and why would god design a piece of crap(metaphorically).

Satan is the evil we live in this world with. Not God.

god made satan, therefore, by his nature, god is an evil malicious person

Satan turned against God and he banished him from Heaven. You act as if you have read the Bible then you should know that.

But did God not make Satan? And also, does God not know everything? So God knew prior to making Satan that all the future events would occur.

Maybe he made him anyways for fun.(have you ever strapped an M80 to something knowing it would blow up.)

so god, who has an entire would to deal with, creates satan for s**ts and giggles? Ya, real loving guy

you have to get your kicks somewhere otherwise you go insane.

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06 Jun 2009, 3:55 am

LiendaBalla wrote:

For some strange reason, most people think the critter in the garden of Eden was Satan, when really it isn't specified.

I don't get how people keep assumeing a God is all loveing or hateing. Makes no sence to me, really.

But what makes you believe there is a diety in the first place? Surely there must be a reason, no?

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06 Jun 2009, 2:51 pm

Henriksson wrote:

LiendaBalla wrote:

But what makes you believe there is a diety in the first place? Surely there must be a reason, no?

What makes you think houses you see around had builders to build them? Maybe they just put themselves together. Or course they didn't, but neither did the universe.

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06 Jun 2009, 3:01 pm

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But what makes you believe there is a diety in the first place? Surely there must be a reason, no?

Maybe some people are just born with that sense of things? I might have to debate that way at least for myself.

A lot of things about a person's individual core are too ethereal to boil down to a two or three sentence explanation.

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06 Jun 2009, 3:23 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:

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But what makes you believe there is a diety in the first place? Surely there must be a reason, no?

If a friend tells me "I want a sports car" without giving any reasons why, I will be tempted to ask why. If the person just shrugs and say "I just feel like it", it's not like I'm going to take that seriously.

Reasons are the cornerstone of any argument.

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06 Jun 2009, 3:31 pm

Fort56 wrote:

Henriksson wrote:

LiendaBalla wrote:

But what makes you believe there is a diety in the first place? Surely there must be a reason, no?

What makes you think houses you see around had builders to build them? Maybe they just put themselves together. Or course they didn't, but neither did the universe.

The Teleological argument is full of holes, as can be seen here.

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The argument from design is one of the "proofs" for the existence of God. In its basic form, this argument infers from the intelligent order and created beauty of the universe that there is an intelligent Designer and Creator of the universe. The argument has been criticized for begging the question: it assumes the universe is designed in order to prove that it is the work of a designer. The argument also suppresses evidence: for all its beauty and grandeur, the universe is also full of, well, to be delicate, let us say that the universe is also full of nasties. I suppose I should be more specific, but I think the reader knows the kind of thing I mean: babies born without brains, good people suffering monstrous tortures such as neurofibromatosis, evil people basking in the sun and enjoying power, reputation, etc. Volcanoes erupting, earthquakes rattling the planet, hurricanes and tornadoes blindly wiping out thousands of lives a day. Is it unfair to call these things the nasties, what is blithely referred to by theists as non-moral evil or physical evil? To say, as many defenders of Design do, that these nasties only seem nasty to us but we are ignorant of God's plan and vision and cannot know how good these nasties really are, is self-refuting. If we can't know what's good and what's not, we can't know whether the design, if any, is good or bad.

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06 Jun 2009, 3:43 pm

Henriksson wrote:

Really???? You have never had such a basic urge that questioning it is pointless? I mean, I would think that there ultimately have to be some urges so primal that rationalizing them is only sophistry. Wanting a sports car is likely sufficient for this, because a lot of people don't scrutinize themselves so rigorously, and why should they? Everything withers under certainty, even our foundations. To cite William James: "The philosopher's logical tranquillity is thus in essence no other than the boor's. They differ only as to the point at which each refuses to let further considerations upset the absoluteness of the data he assumes."

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