The Truth AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH: 2016 Election

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Since when have you ever listened to what Glenn Beck said? Whenever I used to listen to him, everyone thought I was cuckoo for cocoa puffs. I stopped listening to him a couple months ago and cancelled my subscription. He's a turncoat.

I also think he's pissed off because Cruz came to the other side.

Not really. Trump would get absolutely nothing done either. The vote we're making in November has nothing to do with governance or policy, it's a social vote-- basically a vote to see what we as a nation find least repugnant socially. Trump wins, the Dems will block anything from the Senate since the minority party in that house actually has more power than the majority if the majority hold the presidency. Likewise, Hillary will face a hostile house (the place legislation starts), and she'll spend her time vetoing that legislation, or squeezing a senator to put a hold on it and take a bullet for her. The entire system needs overhauled, and when I say overhauled I mean Constitutional amendment level overhauling.

I'd quit worrying about the Right and take a good look at what's wrong with your own logic and morals. Deplorable my ass.

Another thing, quit putting people down and bring some real information to the table with some real facts. I really couldn't care less of what you personally think about me or the Right.

You know Drudge and Brietbart don't deal with facts right? I can't count how many times I posted linka to legitimate news stories and studies that just get ignored by the Trumpsters. It's clear to me they don't want facts, they just want people to say what they want to hear.

Do you have a problem with me calling sexism and racism deplorable? Because that's all I'm doing. It's not my fault these deplorable people all happen to be lining up behind the racist and sexist Trump. And it's not the left that needs to do some soul searching. We actually had a debate about issues in our primary, Republicans on the other hand had theirs devolve into insulting each others penis size.

Honestly the hypocrisy that comes from you is astounding. You constantly complain that people aren't debating like adults while at the same time call Obama Mr. A**wipe. You complain when I mention my distaste for many Republicans while at the same time you denigrate the entire left side of the political spectrum.

And one last thing, please explain your view of why my logic is wrong. I'm really curious

I don't think that's true that the minority party in the senate has more power, they've basically eliminated the filibuster thru the process of reconciliation or the 'nuclear option' so you only really need 50 votes in the senate plus the tie breaker from the VP to pass legislation. Now, I imagine Trump will struggle to control the GOP caucus especially under the leadership of Paul Ryan who is more apt to want to cooperate with Hillary Clinton so it would be interesting to see how that turns out as the establishment powers that really seem to think it is destiny that Paul Ryan and Hillary Clinton work together for their bidding. Trump can pretty easily side step this by working with the Democrats and giving concessions but I suppose the Dems could try all out obstruction and probably will on some things but I don't think the Dem caucus is that united with the red state Democrat becoming more and more rare.

The Democrats need to win the majority in the senate this year or it's unlikely that they'll gain it back for a couple more cycles, they only have 10 seats up this year as opposed to 24 for the GOP. That flips in 2018 with the Democrats needing to defend 25 seats to 8 for the Republicans so it's possible the Republicans gain back the majority pretty quickly if they were to lose the majority this year. It seems unlikely that there will be any big changes in the house until redistricting happens. The President is a powerful position regardless, there is a lot one can do with executive authority.

If Hillary becomes president then I think she'd be impeached before the end of her first term. I doubt Paul Ryan would go for it but I think his speakership is already on thin ice, he'd be forced out. I think either way Paul Ryan will be a causality, he either won't work with Trump and be overthrown by his caucus or he will work too much with Hillary/not enough against her and be overthrown by his caucus.

Legitimate news stories and 'studies', what a joke. Read Wikileaks and get back to me on who is actually 'credible' as the Clinton emails show an unprecedented amount of cooperation between the Hillary campaign and the media. Her campaigns involvement with Super PACs is also illegal, she's manufactured her 'facts' and isn't challenged by anybody in the corporate media. Read it and weep your sweet tears! The evidence of this is all there. She is a proven liar and criminal!

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/7/26/1 ... -Wikileaks

WikiLeaks is not a reliable source considering what's going on with Russia. And so far nothing in those leaked emails have been ground shattering. It's actually been pretty underwhelming.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... mail-leak/

It's looking pretty clear that Russia is trying to interfere with this election. I find it odd how little outrage there is at a foreign government trying to meddle in our Presidential election.

Besides why would I be crying? Trump's campaign is in freefall and Clinton's lead is up to double digits in some polls. Oh but I forgot you don't care about the polls until they say what you want them to say.

Who do you think you are? I don't have to explain nothing to you.

Every time I debate something I have a piece of information to back it up. Just because it is not from a source that YOU think is reputable, DOES NOT mean it is not reputable. Understand me? We come from different sides and in case you didn't know it by now, the media is LIBERAL. That is why we both listen to different new sources, but it's funny how the Left always seems to think their news sources are correct. Why is that I wonder? We are never going to agree on most things. However, I do expect when someone says something that is supposed to be a fact, then back it up with some kind of source. That is how a debate is done.

I also never say personal opinions of what I feel about the Left and I expect the same from you. Personal opinions belong nowhere in a debate.

Nothing Wikileaks has ever reported has been false, blaming it on Russia is a pathetic deflection from the Clinton campaign, I can't believe anybody is actually repeating this garbage but I suppose they're too invested now. Daily Kos, by the way, not a reliable news source at all. Neither is the completely partisan Politifact which Clinton backers love, it's not an arbitrator of anything. Politifact actually had a good example of it's ridiculous bias after the debate this Sunday when they rated Trump's assertion that Hillary deleted 33k emails after being subpoenaed by the US Congress as 'half true' which they reasoned because there is 'no proof that she deleted them intentionally'. That's moving the goal post and changing the definition of what true and false is but that is something Politifact does often.

You can pleasure yourself with garbage polls all you want, I suggest reading the tabs like I previously suggested to see how flawed the methodology so often is. They are way undersampling independent voters in these polls and these independent voters really don't like Clinton, 45% of the electorate are not members of the Democrats and it's not a representative sampling so I'm sorry if you actually believe that. Independents are on par with the GOP/Democratic party or even surpass them, only sampling 12% like the latest NBC poll is just meant to drive opinion rather than reflect it. That latest NBC/WSJ poll which has always been biased against Trump was done by 'Hart Research and Associates' who's president is Geoff Garin and guess who's SuperPAC Geoff Garin works for and is owned by 'Hart Research and Associates? Priorities USA, the Hillary Clinton SuperPAC. This can be found thru FEC filings.

*Sigh*

It's astounding how the Trump-besotted are posting these wikileaks releases without reading them because they found something that looks like it might be damaging, as long as you don't read enough to see the context.

"I know she has begun to hate everyday Americans, but I think we should use it once the first time she says I'm running for president because you and everyday Americans need a champion. I think if she doesn't say it once, people will notice and say we false started in Iowa. "

This is obviously about using the phrase "everyday Americans" that was first trotted out by her campaign in Iowa.

This is plainly evident from the context, but in their eagerness to believe that something (anything!) will come out of wikileaks the Trump people are blind to anything but the juicy looking phrase. They should be ashamed.

http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- ... nik-508635

Deplorable.

Look, dude, that's what I'm talking about. Grow up.

The same thing happened with those climate change emails that came out several year ago.

I can see where you would think that, Mr. A. I think the same about the Left taking what Trump said 11 years ago and blowing it way out of proportion. I really do think that Trump has learned his lesson that he can't just shoot his mouth off anymore. I do not think he is a bad person. He apologized for what he said and I accept that apology - it's the Left that will not let it go especially when we have so many other things that are way more important.

I'm just now watching the second debate and again it is not fair for Christ's sake! They are blowing out of proportion AGAIN what Trump said and will not even let him defend himself. All of that is to take time away from putting Hillary in the f'n limelight with all the messes she's got going on. Like I said, the media is LIBERAL!

Oh my. Trump's finally playing Hillary's game - dirty. This is getting good.

The applause speaks for itself. Hot damn.

Because she WOULD be in jail. Funny how CNN tells the crowd not to cheer when its for Trump, but they say nothing when it happens to Hillary. No, the media isn't Liberal at all. Duh.

Omg. Now that is the Trump that I know and love. He is making Hillary flustered. He even put Anderson on the spot. That's the way to do it. Make them look like asses.

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