The Truth AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH: 2016 Election

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11 Oct 2016, 5:38 pm

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It's astounding how the Trump-besotted are posting these wikileaks releases without reading them because they found something that looks like it might be damaging, as long as you don't read enough to see the context.

"I know she has begun to hate everyday Americans, but I think we should use it once the first time she says I'm running for president because you and everyday Americans need a champion. I think if she doesn't say it once, people will notice and say we false started in Iowa. "

This is obviously about using the phrase "everyday Americans" that was first trotted out by her campaign in Iowa.

This is plainly evident from the context, but in their eagerness to believe that something (anything!) will come out of wikileaks the Trump people are blind to anything but the juicy looking phrase. They should be ashamed.

http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- ... nik-508635

Deplorable. :(


I can see where you would think that, Mr. A. I think the same about the Left taking what Trump said 11 years ago and blowing it way out of proportion. I really do think that Trump has learned his lesson that he can't just shoot his mouth off anymore. I do not think he is a bad person. He apologized for what he said and I accept that apology - it's the Left that will not let it go especially when we have so many other things that are way more important.


Wow and it only took him 70 years to learn it too. :lol:

Lets see even though Hillary has apologized for using a private server the right won't let it go. It doesn't matter that there is no evidence of classified material ending up in the wrong hands and there were no successful breaches of security. It doesn't matter that neither the FBI or congressional investigations have found any evidence of criminality whatsoever. It doesn't matter that the Bush administration lost or deleted 22 million emails and had a private RNC server of their own.

But no it's the left that's holding a grudge over a tape that came out less than a week ago with Trump and his surrogates making excuse after excuse of it just being guy talk. Trump apologized for "locker room talk" (something he fired someone on The Apprentice over) which this isn't. He described sexual assault. Yeah the left just can't let this go, I mean it's not like people are actually accusing him of doing this... Oh wait, yeah there are.

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index. ... trump.html

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/ ... ike-cattle

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/tru ... vp-BBxaYfF

Or that he just hired onto his campaign a man who was fired for sexual harassment.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/07/media/r ... index.html

Yeah... The left is just holding a grudge. :roll:



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11 Oct 2016, 5:39 pm

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Yep...the same old gridlock!

But the same old gridlock just might be better than what we might have gotten under Trump.


Not really. Trump would get absolutely nothing done either. The vote we're making in November has nothing to do with governance or policy, it's a social vote-- basically a vote to see what we as a nation find least repugnant socially. Trump wins, the Dems will block anything from the Senate since the minority party in that house actually has more power than the majority if the majority hold the presidency. Likewise, Hillary will face a hostile house (the place legislation starts), and she'll spend her time vetoing that legislation, or squeezing a senator to put a hold on it and take a bullet for her. The entire system needs overhauled, and when I say overhauled I mean Constitutional amendment level overhauling.



I don't think that's true that the minority party in the senate has more power, they've basically eliminated the filibuster thru the process of reconciliation or the 'nuclear option' so you only really need 50 votes in the senate plus the tie breaker from the VP to pass legislation.


You do realize the filibuster wasn't the main tool holding up legislation in the senate right? Filibusters are often threatened, rarely used, are successful barely more often than green unicorns are born. Senatorial holds, on the other hand, have had huge increase since the turn of the century-- and those are way more damaging since they don't even allow the bill to be put to debate and they can be enacted by a SINGLE senator. With that one power alone the Senate minority can dictate agenda in the chamber, meaning everything still gets held up by the minority. Basically in the last decade when the populace heard "filibuster" it was rhetorical tool to get your ears perked up and your blood boiling-- meanwhile all the legislation was actually killed by a single senator here or there from the minority party . Ask Tom Coburn, before he retired a few years back he put up the most senatorial holds in history. With all the damage that single rule does, wanna know what they did five years ago? --They made it to where it can be done anonymously. So yes, as I stated earlier: this nation needs Constitutional changes.



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11 Oct 2016, 5:51 pm

the rape case against trump is going ahead. ivana said he raped her during their marriage, too. this latest tape depicts a man (in his own words) who doesn't think twice about forcing himself on women. i have to question the humanity of anyone who thinks a sexual predator would make a good president.



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11 Oct 2016, 7:28 pm

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I'm just now watching the second debate and again it is not fair for Christ's sake! They are blowing out of proportion AGAIN what Trump said and will not even let him defend himself. All of that is to take time away from putting Hillary in the f'n limelight with all the messes she's got going on. Like I said, the media is LIBERAL!


Oh boo.. freaking hoo. Trump defending himself is generally his usual crap: "it was taken out of context", "I was being sarcastic", "its a media smear" and the same nonsense that he and his supporters spout non-stop. He can defend himself all he wants- it doesn't change the sexism and racism he has been spewing for many many years. He has how many alleged rape cases against him now..? Also he freaking said he would date his daughter if they werent related (not some media smear, you can easily find the interview online and its not changed in anyway). I still don't understand how people look past that comment as nothing. There's being proud of your kids and complimenting them, then there's what Trump did- look like a creep even more.



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11 Oct 2016, 8:04 pm

"Christianity Today", in no way, shape, or form liberal, just denounced trump.



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11 Oct 2016, 9:55 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
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It's astounding how the Trump-besotted are posting these wikileaks releases without reading them because they found something that looks like it might be damaging, as long as you don't read enough to see the context.

"I know she has begun to hate everyday Americans, but I think we should use it once the first time she says I'm running for president because you and everyday Americans need a champion. I think if she doesn't say it once, people will notice and say we false started in Iowa. "

This is obviously about using the phrase "everyday Americans" that was first trotted out by her campaign in Iowa.

This is plainly evident from the context, but in their eagerness to believe that something (anything!) will come out of wikileaks the Trump people are blind to anything but the juicy looking phrase. They should be ashamed.

http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin- ... nik-508635

Deplorable. :(


I can see where you would think that, Mr. A. I think the same about the Left taking what Trump said 11 years ago and blowing it way out of proportion. I really do think that Trump has learned his lesson that he can't just shoot his mouth off anymore. I do not think he is a bad person. He apologized for what he said and I accept that apology - it's the Left that will not let it go especially when we have so many other things that are way more important.


Wow and it only took him 70 years to learn it too. :lol:

Lets see even though Hillary has apologized for using a private server the right won't let it go. It doesn't matter that there is no evidence of classified material ending up in the wrong hands and there were no successful breaches of security. It doesn't matter that neither the FBI or congressional investigations have found any evidence of criminality whatsoever. It doesn't matter that the Bush administration lost or deleted 22 million emails and had a private RNC server of their own.

But no it's the left that's holding a grudge over a tape that came out less than a week ago with Trump and his surrogates making excuse after excuse of it just being guy talk. Trump apologized for "locker room talk" (something he fired someone on The Apprentice over) which this isn't. He described sexual assault. Yeah the left just can't let this go, I mean it's not like people are actually accusing him of doing this... Oh wait, yeah there are.

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index. ... trump.html

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/ ... ike-cattle

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/tru ... vp-BBxaYfF

Or that he just hired onto his campaign a man who was fired for sexual harassment.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/07/media/r ... index.html

Yeah... The left is just holding a grudge. :roll:


I don't know what you're laughing about because Hillary hasn't gotten anything right - especially the lying and covering things up.

AND Trump is right - the FBI let her off otherwise she should be in prison. That's what the difference is. Why don't you get that?!


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11 Oct 2016, 9:56 pm

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"Christianity Today", in no way, shape, or form liberal, just denounced trump.


Who the heck is Christianity Today and why should I care? If they are Christians, then I know for sure they shouldn't be behind Hillary and her abortion rights. Your point?


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11 Oct 2016, 11:15 pm

Oh no, Christians should totally endorse sexual assaulters, why, Jesus himself probably had seven wives and defrauded gullible university subscribers.



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11 Oct 2016, 11:22 pm

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Oh no, Christians should totally endorse sexual assaulters, why, Jesus himself probably had seven wives and defrauded gullible university subscribers.


What? Next!


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11 Oct 2016, 11:47 pm

Anybody that tries to justify voting for Hillary because of this nonsense about these 'lewd' comments is totally disingenuous or ill-informed as Bill Clinton is a serial rapist and Hillary Clinton is an enabler of rape. Hillary's entire life is built upon rape, to ;laughing about getting child rapists off as a young lawyer to defending her predator husband by attacking his victims including murdering someone's cat and probably worse than that even. She is quite literally Satan and may god have mercy on the soul of anyone deluded enough to vote for her. It's one thing to declare yourself in support of a 3rd party candidate or to not vote but voting for Hillary is pathetic when none of her supporters can actually justify it beyond their crippling fear of the false Trump boogeyman created by the media, her supporters cry about all these supposedly unsubstantiated accusations but they have no issue believing whatever tabloid garbage about Trump even tho there is far far FAR more substance to charges against Bill Clinton. If the media spent 1/100th of the effort digging into the backgrounds of the Clinton's, they'd both be in prison right now.



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She is quite literally Satan...


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12 Oct 2016, 12:46 am

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Anybody that tries to justify voting for Hillary because of this nonsense about these 'lewd' comments is totally disingenuous or ill-informed as Bill Clinton is a serial rapist and Hillary Clinton is an enabler of rape. Hillary's entire life is built upon rape, to ;laughing about getting child rapists off as a young lawyer to defending her predator husband by attacking his victims including murdering someone's cat and probably worse than that even. She is quite literally Satan and may god have mercy on the soul of anyone deluded enough to vote for her. It's one thing to declare yourself in support of a 3rd party candidate or to not vote but voting for Hillary is pathetic when none of her supporters can actually justify it beyond their crippling fear of the false Trump boogeyman created by the media, her supporters cry about all these supposedly unsubstantiated accusations but they have no issue believing whatever tabloid garbage about Trump even tho there is far far FAR more substance to charges against Bill Clinton. If the media spent 1/100th of the effort digging into the backgrounds of the Clinton's, they'd both be in prison right now.


Nonsense? So basically you think its alright for people to be sexist and all that. Yeah I'm not surprised at all.

Bill Clinton has NEVER been found guilty of any of these so-called rapes. Also I want to point out- Hillary is running for president, NOT BILL! Stop making it into a group presidency. Because if you want to do that- you better point out how Trump's wife is a mail order bride. Also let's point out how Trump has been married numerous times now, plus his cheating scandals are no secrets either! Trump's wife also stole Obama's wife speech. Oh but thats alright to you because its not as bad as "the Clintons". :roll: Stop changing the subject and acting like anything Trump does is perfectly fine and not a big deal. He's a sexist racist fearmongering conman, period. The signs are there for people that actually pay attention.

You can whine and moan all you want, but the stuff about Trump being sexist and racist is in plain sight. It's not doctored footage at all. It's sickening footage of an ego maniac that thinks he can do what he wants, when he wants because he is rich and famous. People that don't see anything wrong with this- either are just like Trump, want to be like Trump or are simply conned that badly by Trump they can't tell right from wrong unless they hear something from Trump.



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Anybody that tries to justify voting for Hillary because of this nonsense about these 'lewd' comments is totally disingenuous or ill-informed as Bill Clinton is a serial rapist and Hillary Clinton is an enabler of rape. Hillary's entire life is built upon rape, to ;laughing about getting child rapists off as a young lawyer to defending her predator husband by attacking his victims including murdering someone's cat and probably worse than that even. She is quite literally Satan and may god have mercy on the soul of anyone deluded enough to vote for her. It's one thing to declare yourself in support of a 3rd party candidate or to not vote but voting for Hillary is pathetic when none of her supporters can actually justify it beyond their crippling fear of the false Trump boogeyman created by the media, her supporters cry about all these supposedly unsubstantiated accusations but they have no issue believing whatever tabloid garbage about Trump even tho there is far far FAR more substance to charges against Bill Clinton. If the media spent 1/100th of the effort digging into the backgrounds of the Clinton's, they'd both be in prison right now.


Nonsense? So basically you think its alright for people to be sexist and all that. Yeah I'm not surprised at all.

Bill Clinton has NEVER been found guilty of any of these so-called rapes. Also I want to point out- Hillary is running for president, NOT BILL! Stop making it into a group presidency. Because if you want to do that- you better point out how Trump's wife is a mail order bride. Also let's point out how Trump has been married numerous times now, plus his cheating scandals are no secrets either! Trump's wife also stole Obama's wife speech. Oh but thats alright to you because its not as bad as "the Clintons". :roll: Stop changing the subject and acting like anything Trump does is perfectly fine and not a big deal. He's a sexist racist fearmongering conman, period. The signs are there for people that actually pay attention.

You can whine and moan all you want, but the stuff about Trump being sexist and racist is in plain sight. It's not doctored footage at all. It's sickening footage of an ego maniac that thinks he can do what he wants, when he wants because he is rich and famous. People that don't see anything wrong with this- either are just like Trump, want to be like Trump or are simply conned that badly by Trump they can't tell right from wrong unless they hear something from Trump.


I agree with everything you said about Trump but there are some people who think Hillary has ordered hitmen to assassinate people. Also some people blame her for lives lost in the war due to bad decisionmaking ( you can come to your own conclusion on that). But if you firmly believe that that was the wrong decision that led to many deaths, they might have a point. Rape is bad but it's not as bad as death. Having said that I don't see Trump as a peacemaker. I don't think he's going to solve anything.

Bottom line, you are nevere going to convince a person that Hillary is better just because Trump raped some people (or harassed, or lewd talk). Some people really do believe Hillary is pure evil. This is why they support Trump over her, even the ones that do care about sexism.

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's the impression I get.



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12 Oct 2016, 1:23 am

Still not an argument for Hillary, you can't make any because there is none. All you can do is cry about Trump being a big meany even tho the facts are that the Clintons are far more guilty as actions are far more relevant and revealing, they are real rapists. Fake feminists the bunch of you are!

Absolutely you have to include Bill in this presidency, Hillary was included in his. They sold themselves as a 'co-presidency' and Hillary has said as they she'd put Bill 'in charge of fixing the economy', you can't dismiss it now that you don't want to defend the record and the many crimes that Bubba and Hillary are guilty of.



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12 Oct 2016, 1:39 am

I do believe Hillary is a psychopath with no conscience whatsoever and a narcissist.

I truly believe that Trump is doing this because he believes this will be the end of America as we know it to be - we have only this one chance left. We are in debt up to our eyeballs, we could lose the Supreme Court, Healthcare is in shambles, illegal immigration is going to bankrupt us even more, terrorism on the rise and there are not very many "outsiders" that could afford to run for President and pay for it without any help like Trump has. Trump had a good life - he's a billionaire. He's already famous. Why would anyone who had it so good put themselves through the hell he is going through right now if it wasn't important? He's not a politician.The media is trying to make him a laughing farce, he lost "The Apprentice" - this could really hurt his business.

I do believe Hillary is in it for power and to be the first woman President - again, all about her. I also believe there are "others" who are just using her status to get into the White House, but then they will really be the one in control. His name spelled backwards is SOROS - the Puppetmaster.


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