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07 Jun 2009, 1:02 pm

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Those asshats from the Westboro Baptist Church showed up at his funeral. :roll:

yes, now they are saying the jews helped cause 9/11 :roll:
see, this is why people are telling god to shove it today, because your "loving" god seems to only spout hate, like your womb doesn't belong to you, its property of our sky god, even though our sky god made you gay, you are going to hell for it, and the like.

So your idea of what Christanity is all about comes form the Westboro Baptist Church?

That explains a lot! :jester:


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07 Jun 2009, 1:06 pm

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So your idea of what Christanity is all about comes form the Westboro Baptist Church?

That explains a lot! :jester:

It really does, come to think of it.


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07 Jun 2009, 2:25 pm

NobelCynic wrote:
cognito wrote:
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Those asshats from the Westboro Baptist Church showed up at his funeral. :roll:

yes, now they are saying the jews helped cause 9/11 :roll:
see, this is why people are telling god to shove it today, because your "loving" god seems to only spout hate, like your womb doesn't belong to you, its property of our sky god, even though our sky god made you gay, you are going to hell for it, and the like.

So your idea of what Christanity is all about comes form the Westboro Baptist Church?

That explains a lot! :jester:

no, its the fact that whenever I hear the word "Christian" in the news, its always bad news


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07 Jun 2009, 2:33 pm

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no, its the fact that whenever I hear the word "Christian" in the news, its always bad news

Most news that's reported is bad news. Aren't you just falling prey to the availability heuristic?


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07 Jun 2009, 2:47 pm

Even most of the more extreme Christians don't think much of the WBC/ Fred Phelps. In fact, Jerry Falwell (who was pretty extreme) once said of him "I think that guy's nuts."

The "Church" consists of Phelps and his extended family.



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07 Jun 2009, 2:55 pm

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no, its the fact that whenever I hear the word "Christian" in the news, its always bad news

Most news that's reported is bad news. Aren't you just falling prey to the availability heuristic?
well, a pew study found the number of self IDed christains are down 10%, the lowest recorded and I think there must be a very good reason for it.


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07 Jun 2009, 3:17 pm

NobelCynic wrote:
cognito wrote:
MattShizzle wrote:
Those asshats from the Westboro Baptist Church showed up at his funeral. :roll:

yes, now they are saying the jews helped cause 9/11 :roll:
see, this is why people are telling god to shove it today, because your "loving" god seems to only spout hate, like your womb doesn't belong to you, its property of our sky god, even though our sky god made you gay, you are going to hell for it, and the like.

So your idea of what Christanity is all about comes form the Westboro Baptist Church?

That explains a lot! :jester:


Unfair perhaps, but certainly extremists colour the clade to which they belong.

Just as the moderate Muslims have a duty to control and police their extremist brethren, so Christians are duty bound to abrogate those select groups which misrepresent them.

Unfortunately neither group has any mechanism for this sort of social control.

To put it simple, any nut-ball can purport to belong to any religious faction. There are no worldly qualifications, no earthly requirements. No way to excommunicate I suppose.

And so they get to besmirch your fine reputation.


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07 Jun 2009, 3:23 pm

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Unfair perhaps, but certainly extremists colour the clade to which they belong.

See, I don't regard things like WBC to be "extremist" Christianity. It's something completely unrelated and antithetical to Christianity as I understand it. Same goes for so-called "fundamentalists." Their views are not "conservative" or "fundamental," they're just wrong.

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Just as the moderate Muslims have a duty to control and police their extremist brethren,

I've met "moderate" Muslims and they haven't struck me as moderate. I was corrected on some charitable perceptions I had regarding the Qur'an.

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To put it simple, any nut-ball can purport to belong to any religious faction. There are no worldly qualifications, no earthly requirements. No way to excommunicate I suppose.

And so they get to besmirch your fine reputation.

Yeah, it is a shame that it works like that.


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07 Jun 2009, 3:58 pm

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See, I don't regard things like WBC to be "extremist"
I would have to agree with you on this point. Honestly, I had never even heard of them until a few months ago and checked out their website out of curiosity. They do appear to be a separtate entity, as they attack christians as vehemently as anyone else.
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Same goes for so-called "fundamentalists." Their views are not "conservative" or "fundamental," they're just wrong.
I have always understood fundamentalists to be the branches of christianity which are biblical literalist like the pentecoastals.



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07 Jun 2009, 4:04 pm

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Same goes for so-called "fundamentalists." Their views are not "conservative" or "fundamental," they're just wrong.
I have always understood fundamentalists to be the branches of christianity which are biblical literalist like the pentecoastals.

And Biblical literalism is just wrong, as the Bible quite plainly is not meant to be interpreted in such a fashion. Besides that, fundies are selective in what portions of the Bible they interpret literally.


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07 Jun 2009, 4:10 pm

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fundies are selective in what portions of the Bible they interpret literally.
Well, I always did have to give some credit to the pentecoastals for the fact they do not seem to be of the groups who like to pick and choose what they prefer to beleive from the Bible, but maybe that was just my experience. :lol:



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07 Jun 2009, 4:12 pm

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Unfair perhaps, but certainly extremists colour the clade to which they belong.

See, I don't regard things like WBC to be "extremist" Christianity. It's something completely unrelated and antithetical to Christianity as I understand it. Same goes for so-called "fundamentalists." Their views are not "conservative" or "fundamental," they're just wrong.


I know. Fortunately your informed opinion(as an insider to Christianity) enables you to make this distinction. Unfortunately, for someone less informed, like say a Korean Buddhist, the divisive criteria might not be.

On the other hand, a man of fine character and rationality such as yourself does a lot for the reputation of Christanity as a whole.


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07 Jun 2009, 4:18 pm

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On the other hand, a man of fine character and rationality such as yourself does a lot for the reputation of Christanity as a whole.
Agreed.



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09 Jun 2009, 11:13 pm

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I've met "moderate" Muslims and they haven't struck me as moderate. I was corrected on some charitable perceptions I had regarding the Qur'an.


Was Tarek Fatah one of them?



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09 Jun 2009, 11:14 pm

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Same goes for so-called "fundamentalists." Their views are not "conservative" or "fundamental," they're just wrong.
I have always understood fundamentalists to be the branches of christianity which are biblical literalist like the pentecoastals.

And Biblical literalism is just wrong, as the Bible quite plainly is not meant to be interpreted in such a fashion. Besides that, fundies are selective in what portions of the Bible they interpret literally.


I can tell you they certainly won't literally interpret the bible the way Leo Tolstoy did.



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09 Jun 2009, 11:32 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
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Same goes for so-called "fundamentalists." Their views are not "conservative" or "fundamental," they're just wrong.
I have always understood fundamentalists to be the branches of christianity which are biblical literalist like the pentecoastals.

And Biblical literalism is just wrong, as the Bible quite plainly is not meant to be interpreted in such a fashion. Besides that, fundies are selective in what portions of the Bible they interpret literally.


I can tell you they certainly won't literally interpret the bible the way Leo Tolstoy did.

Leo Tolstoy wasn't a literalist. He openly rejected the Old Testament, despite the fact that the text literally does claim that the same God existed for the old and new testaments.

"The man who believes in the inspiration of the Old Testament and the sacred character of David, who commanded on his deathbed the murder of an old man who had cursed him, and whom he could not kill himself because he was bound by an oath to him, and the similar atrocities of which the Old Testament is full, cannot believe in the holy love of Christ." - The Kingdom of God is Within You Chapter 3

Not only that, but his kind of anarchism isn't really exegeted from the Bible. Not even close, so I wouldn't even call him a literalist on that ground either.