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08 Nov 2010, 9:51 pm

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CNN leans left

CNN has as much of a left bend as Sarah Palin.

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08 Nov 2010, 11:01 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:

CNN leans left

CNN has as much of a left bend as Sarah Palin.

Again, the United States isn't Europe, I'm sure just about everyone in the US would be considered far right compared to how off the deep end they are in Europe.

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08 Nov 2010, 11:26 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

CNN leans left

CNN has as much of a left bend as Sarah Palin.

Again, the United States isn't Europe, I'm sure just about everyone in the US would be considered far right compared to how off the deep end they are in Europe.

Yes, it's everyone ELSE in the world that has the problem, not you. :roll:

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08 Nov 2010, 11:29 pm

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

CNN leans left

CNN has as much of a left bend as Sarah Palin.

Again, the United States isn't Europe, I'm sure just about everyone in the US would be considered far right compared to how off the deep end they are in Europe.

Yes, it's everyone ELSE in the world that has the problem, not you. :roll:

Are the riots in Greece and France still going on or did they simmer down yet?

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08 Nov 2010, 11:54 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

CNN leans left

CNN has as much of a left bend as Sarah Palin.

Again, the United States isn't Europe, I'm sure just about everyone in the US would be considered far right compared to how off the deep end they are in Europe.

Yes, it's everyone ELSE in the world that has the problem, not you. :roll:

Are the riots in Greece and France still going on or did they simmer down yet?

Things are worse here and no one budges from their TV shows.

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09 Nov 2010, 12:09 am

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

CNN leans left

CNN has as much of a left bend as Sarah Palin.

Again, the United States isn't Europe, I'm sure just about everyone in the US would be considered far right compared to how off the deep end they are in Europe.

Yes, it's everyone ELSE in the world that has the problem, not you. :roll:

Are the riots in Greece and France still going on or did they simmer down yet?

Things are worse here and no one budges from their TV shows.

I don't see massive riots in the street. :roll:

Seriously, look up Saul Alinsky's Rule Book for Radicals and you will understand how you've been continuously deceived.

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09 Nov 2010, 12:29 am

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Ok, so sources you won't bother to counter: Huffpo, Kos, Beast, MoveOn, and the NYT. What, out of curiosity, will you accept? Presumably, the mere fact that a source is criticizing Palin means that it is 'too left wing' for you to take seriously.

In other words, you are running on faith rather than on evidence.

I consider politico to be occasionally truthful, but you have to seperate the story from the spin. Drudge Report gives places credibility (if it is linked from drudge the story is more credible).

Like Drudge Report's wildly inaccurate made-up claims about the cost to taxpayer's of Obama's India trip? That's definitely completely credible, right? :roll:

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Places that tend to be most credible are Fox News and CNN. Fox News leans right and CNN leans left (but CNN isn't out in loonyville like MSNBC). And you still should back check what they report as well.

Fox doesn't "lean right," they sit quite firmly in the right wing and are more commentary than news. CNN is mostly neutral; they do very little in the way of commentary and basically just report straight news. MSNBC has a mix of liberal and conservative commentators in addition to a decent amount of plain news, although the liberals are more prominently featured.

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09 Nov 2010, 1:19 am

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CNN sets the overton window in a way in which the "left fringe" is composed of reform-liberals who want a public option and the "right fringe" consists of climate change denialists, birthers, people who want the right to bring guns on federal trains or in bars, and "ACORN caused the Depression" loudmouths. Even if they don't say or argue who is correct, the false balance they present is more than enough to show their pro-corporate bias.

Social democrats like myself are outisde the acceptable limits of CNN's overton window. Which is ironic, as I consider myself a centre-leftist and belong to ideological group that's regularly denounced as "class traitors" by actual socialists and communists (which I consider far-left).

Orwell, did you hear of how Lawrence O'Donnell, a self-described "practical European socialist", shouted down Glenn Greenwald for claiming that being "too liberal" didn't cost the Democrats the election? In Greenwald's analysis the unemployment rate and economy was the decisive cause of the electoral failures with regards to the House of Representatives.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmCt4ltBTzg[/youtube]

Lawrence seems like a total prick here and I think it's because he is.

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09 Nov 2010, 1:25 am

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

CNN leans left

CNN has as much of a left bend as Sarah Palin.

Again, the United States isn't Europe, I'm sure just about everyone in the US would be considered far right compared to how off the deep end they are in Europe.

Yes, it's everyone ELSE in the world that has the problem, not you. :roll:

Are the riots in Greece and France still going on or did they simmer down yet?

Things are worse here and no one budges from their TV shows.

I don't see massive riots in the street. :roll:

Seriously, look up Saul Alinsky's Rule Book for Radicals and you will understand how you've been continuously deceived.

What about Rules for Radicals? In it, Saul Alinsky basically says that disorder or discontent with a given system is a neccessary condition for radical reform. "Community disorganization precedes community organization". The rapid right, more than anyone else, seems to have taken this point home and used it rather effectively via the Tea Partisans.

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09 Nov 2010, 2:02 am

Master_Pedant wrote:

Orwell, did you hear of how Lawrence O'Donnell, a self-described "practical European socialist", shouted down Glenn Greenwald for claiming that being "too liberal" didn't cost the Democrats the election?

Lawrence seems like a total prick here and I think it's because he is.

What a freaking Uncle Tom. Why would a self-proclaimed Socialist act as an apologist for the right wing?

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09 Nov 2010, 2:06 am

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What a freaking Uncle Tom. Why would a self-proclaimed Socialist act as an apologist for the right wing?

To be fair, I don't really think O'Donnell knows what a socialist actually is. In a debate with Tea Partisans, he gave as examples of "effective socialistic subsidies" "Medicare", "Social Security", and "Medicaid".

Because O'Donnell criticized him for "not quoting anything I actually said", Greenwald wrote a new piece with O'Donnell's quotes:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn ... index.html

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09 Nov 2010, 2:20 am

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What a freaking Uncle Tom. Why would a self-proclaimed Socialist act as an apologist for the right wing?

Ah, so he's one of those liberals who's bought in to all the conservative talking points. Rather self-defeating.

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09 Nov 2010, 2:24 am

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Master_Pedant wrote:

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What a freaking Uncle Tom. Why would a self-proclaimed Socialist act as an apologist for the right wing?

Ah, so he's one of those liberals who's bought in to all the conservative talking points. Rather self-defeating.

Like I said in another thread, it doesn't matter whether the news outlets are staffed by masochistic nominal leftists or ideological Republicans, the media still has a corporate bias.

By the way, on the MSNBC Decision 2010 Panel O'Donnell blasted Olbermann for mocking Boehner's fake crying, saying "I know the emotions that soar inside Capitol Hill". When Rachel pointed out that Boehner cried for the Bailout bill during Bush's end of presidency period before weeping on election night over how bad the bailouts were, all O'Donnell could say was "I didn't know he cried that often". I mean, O'Donnell presents himself as THE ex-Washington insider, how can he be so oblivious?

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09 Nov 2010, 3:52 am

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Seriously, look up Saul Alinsky's Rule Book for Radicals and you will understand how you've been continuously deceived.

That is Barak Obama's holy bible. Saul Alinsky is Obama's spiritual father or grandfather.

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24 Jul 2011, 9:35 pm

Sarah Palin has to be the funniest politician ever

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24 Jul 2011, 10:36 pm

If we had an Obama vs. Palin election today, I think the low turnout would make it impossible to predict. I like Palin but right now she's just not resonating with the public very well.

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