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18 Nov 2010, 10:25 pm

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Actually no. You aren't even diagnosed so you can't speak for all people on the autism spectrum. For you to do so in such a dismissive manner is highly irritating. :evil:

It sounds to me like it's you that's being dismissive of aspies/auties, since you seem to be claiming that we are incapable of being responsible.

I never said autistic people aren't capable of being responsible and you know it. You drew that conclusion from your own faulty logic. To see your error type "just world phenomenon" in google and hit enter. Also, you aren't diagnosed so knock it off with the "we".
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Aspies/auties are not broken, just different from neurotypicals, and an inherent lack of responsibility is not one of the differences.

You have a lot of nerve to go accusing people you don't know of lacking responsibility.

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What about people with clinical depression or other crippling mental illnesses on top of autism. I suppose you think it's their fault and they can just snap out of it with a "positive attitude", right?

You're the one who is bringing up a "positive attitude", not me. I'm only in favor of taking responsibility for one's life and facing its realities. It has nothing to do with a positive attitude, just with the realization that how one's life goes is shaped largely by one's own actions.

What makes you come to the judgement that suffering people haven't taken responsibility? Are you blinded by your arrogance?
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Clinical depression is not crippling in today's world, either. A long term former girlfriend of mine was diagnosed with clinical depression, though it turned out she was bipolar, and inexpensive drugs were able to give her the stability she needed to deal with life; same with various other friends and relatives. My wife actually had clinical depression and dealt with it without drugs. Depression is actually much easier to deal with than being on the spectrum, as depression can be changed - though it does typically take a lot of hard work, and isn't something you "snap out of".

Easy to deal with? :roll: You know that different degrees of depression exist right? I can say from personal experience that chronic depression is more debilitating and causes MUCH more suffering than a mild case of autism.



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18 Nov 2010, 10:31 pm

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As long as there are self made millionaires or billionaires (Thomas Edison was a poor boy who made himself rich. So was Andrew Carnegie who come from Scotland with the clothes on his back), there is always a chance to Make Good. You just live to whine, don't you?


why do you persist in your mistaken belief that we are all equally abled?



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18 Nov 2010, 11:17 pm

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As long as there are self made millionaires or billionaires (Thomas Edison was a poor boy who made himself rich. So was Andrew Carnegie who come from Scotland with the clothes on his back), there is always a chance to Make Good. You just live to whine, don't you?


why do you persist in your mistaken belief that we are all equally abled?


I want to know why he persists in his midtaken belief that everyone wants to be a self-made millionaire. What about the people who just want to get by with a modicum of happiness and security?

I mean, I would love to come up with some ground breaking invention that could make life easier for billions of people, but I'd have absolutely zero interest in marketing it or managing a business just so I could be rich. I'd have no problem letting a good natured and trustworthy partner run the operations and make millions off my invention if I'd just recieve enough royalty pay to live comfortably without any econimic fears.



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18 Nov 2010, 11:20 pm

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I want to know why he persists in his midtaken belief that everyone wants to be a self-made millionaire. What about the people who just want to get by with a modicum of happiness and security?


some people prefer to worship at the altar of blind ambition.

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I mean, I would love to come up with some ground breaking invention that could make life easier for billions of people, but I'd have absolutely zero interest in marketing it or managing a business just so I could be rich. I'd have no problem letting a good natured and trustworthy partner run the operations and make millions off my invention if I'd just recieve enough royalty pay to live comfortably without any econimic fears.


one can dream, at least.



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18 Nov 2010, 11:54 pm

Well I don't want to be reliant to government for everything either. Maybe you don't understand the feeling of wanting to be independent cause you're not from out west (minus the west coast), the Midwest, or the South.



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19 Nov 2010, 12:05 am

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Well I don't want to be reliant to government for everything either. Maybe you don't understand the feeling of wanting to be independent cause you're not from out west (minus the west coast), the Midwest, or the South.


i was born and raised in washington state, about as west as one can get, leaving aside alaska and hawaii. and what is so wrong with the west coast? you have independence genes and a great brain, that is wonderful. i wish i could say i have what you have. but i don't, so i look to social services to help me out. don't you believe it when conservatives say people like me would rather be lifetime dependent subjects of uncle sam, when in reality i'd much rather be successfully independent. but it ain't happening. otherwise i'd probably be a rockribbed [but compassion-deprived] individualist social darwinist like most of the other PPR posters here. disability forces one to consider other options in life.



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19 Nov 2010, 12:28 am

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Aspies/auties are not broken, just different from neurotypicals, and an inherent lack of responsibility is not one of the differences.

You have a lot of nerve to go accusing people you don't know of lacking responsibility.

Did you miss the "not" in what I wrote, or are you just projecting?



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19 Nov 2010, 12:34 am

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Well I don't want to be reliant to government for everything either. Maybe you don't understand the feeling of wanting to be independent cause you're not from out west (minus the west coast), the Midwest, or the South.

Nobody wants to be reliant on government for everything. Those who are are a small minority and all the ones I know are reliant on disability income because the only other options are living on the street or suicide. It's bad enough as it is without a bunch of self-righteous a**holes who's philosophy it is to tell them that they are "robbing" the more "productive" members of society for their survival.

Also, I grew up in an extremely conservative religious town. However, my political views have nothing to do with my personal identity or the location in which I live.



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19 Nov 2010, 12:34 am

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Well I don't want to be reliant to government for everything either. Maybe you don't understand the feeling of wanting to be independent cause you're not from out west (minus the west coast), the Midwest, or the South.


i was born and raised in washington state, about as west as one can get, leaving aside alaska and hawaii. and what is so wrong with the west coast? you have independence genes and a great brain, that is wonderful. i wish i could say i have what you have. but i don't, so i look to social services to help me out. don't you believe it when conservatives say people like me would rather be lifetime dependent subjects of uncle sam, when in reality i'd much rather be successfully independent. but it ain't happening. otherwise i'd probably be a rockribbed [but compassion-deprived] individualist social darwinist like most of the other PPR posters here. disability forces one to consider other options in life.


I said minus the west coast, that means minus California, Oregon, and Washington State.

As to what's wrong with the west coast, I don't know aside from California is in bankrupcy and people are fleeing that state in droves. Washington State has issues and Oregon is the state that told a women they would pay for her to commit suicide but not for her cancer medication.

Right now I'm trying to find a job I'm taking college course to stay current but won't be able to much longer. The economy is in the toilet right now, and I expect it to get a lot worse. We could even see it tank to the point that the Great Depression looks like good years.

I'm seeing massive tax hikes on the horizon due to certain deductions in taxes being removed (such as the child tax credits, flexible spending accounts being messed with (courtesy of Obamacare), etc. I'm honestly afraid I may lose my part-time job because of Obamacare. Since they would be forced into providing insurance to part-time employees and they don't have the ability to do that. There are a lot of people that would be let go before me, because I am one of the most dependable part-timers, but they may have to (and they have been trying not to let anyone go even though it means very little hours).

Part of the reason I made it as far as I have is because I am extremely stubborn. You can be surprised what you can do if you don't give up. You think it has been a cakewalk, it hasn't.

Anyways, I've got news for you auntblabby a lot of what you were taught to think about Conservatives and Republicans were lies. If you want to know who was actually closely associated with the KKK, look no further than the Democrat Party. If you want to know which party is responsible for ADA, look at the Republicans. I will be frank and say there are some corrupt Republicans out there, as well as some honest and good hearted Democrats. That said, the bulk of those in the Democrat party (least those in power in Congress, the Executive Branch, and the Party Chairmen) are extremely dishonest and view you as nothing more than a tool to maintain power. They want you to stay living in poverty and relying on welfare checks so they have your vote by default.

If you want to know who actually cares, it would be the Republicans whom tend to spend their own money to help people in need rather than using taxpayer money.

For instance in 2006 to 2007 tax years, Sarah Palin gave more money to charity than Joe Biden (the current Vice President did) not just for those tax years but all the donations Biden made from 1998-2007. Btw, Biden made a lot more money than Palin btw.



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19 Nov 2010, 1:47 am

psychohist wrote:
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Aspies/auties are not broken, just different from neurotypicals, and an inherent lack of responsibility is not one of the differences.

You have a lot of nerve to go accusing people you don't know of lacking responsibility.

Did you miss the "not" in what I wrote, or are you just projecting?

No. By the way you responded to me, you were clearly making the inference that aspies/auties who, for whatever reason, can't "make it" like you did (supposedly) are just not "trying hard enough". You can't just backpedal out of that. I may have completely lost my temper but I'm not a fool and I know exactly what you are thinking and meaning with your words. I know exactly how your kind think and that's what bothers me the most. Why not address the "just world fallacy" that's always you guys' fallback for sweeping big issues under the rug.



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19 Nov 2010, 2:53 am

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If you want to know who actually cares, it would be the Republicans whom tend to spend their own money to help people in need rather than using taxpayer money.


:roll: that put a smile on my face. the repubs really care, eh? "compassionate conservatism" and all that. if that were factual, then why do the repubs side with the insurance companies versus the patients getting ripped-off by same? if repubs really "cared," they'd make the insurance companies stop dumping sick people, stop them from cherrypicking, stop them from gouging us all in premiums. but instead, they just ladle on yet more horatio alger about how if you just tried hard enough you could be rich and easily afford medical care blah blah ad nauseum. if the repubs really cared, they'd get their cotton-pickin' bluenoses outta my bedroom and stop blocking the way of gay couples who want to get married. if the repubs really cared, they'd stop telling me i shouldn't sue the doctor who saws off the wrong leg or takes out the wrong organ.

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For instance in 2006 to 2007 tax years, Sarah Palin gave more money to charity than Joe Biden (the current Vice President did) not just for those tax years but all the donations Biden made from 1998-2007. Btw, Biden made a lot more money than Palin btw.


it is a difference in philosophy- liberals support broad-based taxation to support social welfare goals, as being a way to help a lot more people. as an aside, doesn't preaching to your own choir lose its charm after a while? why do you not care to actually convince anybody on the opposite side of the aisle from you? us lefties are people also, and deserve to be talked to as human beings, and considered as part of your potential audience.



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19 Nov 2010, 7:10 am

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it is a difference in philosophy- liberals support broad-based taxation to support social welfare goals, as being a way to help a lot more people. as an aside, doesn't preaching to your own choir lose its charm after a while? why do you not care to actually convince anybody on the opposite side of the aisle from you? us lefties are people also, and deserve to be talked to as human beings, and considered as part of your potential audience.


And so you are! Now if you would only use logic, reason and science to inform your thinking rather than bleeding heart sentimentality, we could all get along just fine. Stop trying to tax ME to support YOUR favorite charities!

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19 Nov 2010, 10:00 am

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Part of the reason I made it as far as I have is because I am extremely stubborn. You can be surprised what you can do if you don't give up. You think it has been a cakewalk, it hasn't.



Part of the reason you made it is that you're living with your parents. I'm not aware of any rent that could be afforded by a part time job, let alone the additional bill of college tuition. If I am mistaken, then I offer sincere apologies and please do go on about the American dream is attainable by anyone who just works hard.



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19 Nov 2010, 1:22 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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it is a difference in philosophy- liberals support broad-based taxation to support social welfare goals, as being a way to help a lot more people. as an aside, doesn't preaching to your own choir lose its charm after a while? why do you not care to actually convince anybody on the opposite side of the aisle from you? us lefties are people also, and deserve to be talked to as human beings, and considered as part of your potential audience.


And so you are! Now if you would only use logic, reason and science to inform your thinking rather than bleeding heart sentimentality, we could all get along just fine. Stop trying to tax ME to support YOUR favorite charities!


Ugh! Logic and science are only a means to an end. They do NOT support your cold hearted views. I think it was David Hume who stressed the impossibility of using logic or reason to derive a vision of how things aught to be. He already laid the smackdown on Randian "objectivism" back in the 18th century.



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19 Nov 2010, 2:24 pm

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Part of the reason I made it as far as I have is because I am extremely stubborn. You can be surprised what you can do if you don't give up. You think it has been a cakewalk, it hasn't.



Part of the reason you made it is that you're living with your parents. I'm not aware of any rent that could be afforded by a part time job, let alone the additional bill of college tuition. If I am mistaken, then I offer sincere apologies and please do go on about the American dream is attainable by anyone who just works hard.


Yeah it helps to actually live in the same town that the University you attend is in. As to the bill, I managed to get grants and moneys like any other student can. I was extremely lucky that one of my parents was well educated in the laws and knew my rights cause yeah State Run institutions will try to deny you accomodations if they think they can get away with it.

@ marshall

Explains why the rich Joe Biden donated less money to charity if you combine his contributions from 1998-2007 compaired to Sarah Palin's donations from 2006-2007. The one whom was making the most money was Joe Biden.