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17 Dec 2010, 11:43 am

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What are you arguing design, necessity or chance?


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17 Dec 2010, 12:05 pm

Are we talking DOESN'T support life, or CANNOT support life?

And what exactly are significant differences between universes?



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17 Dec 2010, 7:40 pm

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Are we talking DOESN'T support life, or CANNOT support life?

And what exactly are significant differences between universes?


Well it depends on the value that we are talking about. If its gravity, then it can change by tiny amounts and still allow life. If we are talking about the rate of the explosion of the initial singularity, then we are talking about cannot support life. There are a great many variables in the teleological argument and many in tiny degrees would change life if they were differant but a good deal would annihilate galaxy formation or create universes comprised of only one element.


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18 Dec 2010, 6:15 am

91 wrote:
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What are you arguing design, necessity or chance?


None. Why you are so fixated on design, necessity or chance? What is the importance of having galaxies or many elements in the universe?



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18 Dec 2010, 6:20 am

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What are you arguing design, necessity or chance?


None. Why you are so fixated on design, necessity or chance? What is the importance of having galaxies or many elements in the universe?


Because if the universe did not have its variables set in certain ways, you would not be able to ask that question.


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18 Dec 2010, 6:25 am

So what? The universe doesn't care.



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18 Dec 2010, 6:27 am

91 wrote:
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What are you arguing design, necessity or chance?


None. Why you are so fixated on design, necessity or chance? What is the importance of having galaxies or many elements in the universe?


Because if the universe did not have its variables set in certain ways, you would not be able to ask that question.


Mostly it's because he cannot conceive that life could be the accidental result of a group of chance factors. Basically it's a combination of hubris and a limited imagination.



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18 Dec 2010, 6:30 am

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So what? The universe doesn't care.


Well, lets not investigate anything then.... :roll: and theists are the uninterested ones :roll: based on your logic I should not care about anything, am going to die anyway


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18 Dec 2010, 6:39 am

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based on your logic I should not care about anything, am going to die anyway

That is fact.



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18 Dec 2010, 7:21 am

91 wrote:
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So what? The universe doesn't care.


Well, lets not investigate anything then.... :roll: and theists are the uninterested ones :roll: based on your logic I should not care about anything, am going to die anyway


It's all right to be illogical but why carry it to extremes?



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18 Dec 2010, 8:22 am

Sand wrote:
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So what? The universe doesn't care.


Well, lets not investigate anything then.... :roll: and theists are the uninterested ones :roll: based on your logic I should not care about anything, am going to die anyway


It's all right to be illogical but why carry it to extremes?


You are assuming that it is illogical to believe in God, I disagree, so do a good many other people


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18 Dec 2010, 10:57 am

91 wrote:
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91 wrote:
01001011 wrote:
So what? The universe doesn't care.


Well, lets not investigate anything then.... :roll: and theists are the uninterested ones :roll: based on your logic I should not care about anything, am going to die anyway


It's all right to be illogical but why carry it to extremes?


You are assuming that it is illogical to believe in God, I disagree, so do a good many other people


Aside from the farcical attempt to justify a delusion by its popularity, the implication of your statement was that since everybody dies nothing has any value. I have no doubts about the value of every moment of my being alive. I pity you for your misery in finding that death totally devalues your life. It's a terrible way to live.

And your implication seems to be that, since we die it is not worthwhile investigating the world. That we die cannot be denied. Therefore you propose that the world is not worth investigating which indicates you have a rigid inflexible viewpoint not subjected to modification through investigation. Or so it seems.