Turns out that the Tea Party is overwhelmingly white xtian

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I remember an article in Time soon after the Tea Party arose, in which it was clearly stated how people were flocking to the Tea Party out of fear of a black president. Also, white supremacist groups were toning down their rhetoric in order to attract people who might otherwise have steered clear of them.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Which some people in this thread have already attempted to do.



It is more complex than that, we should also be asking how much of the assistance programs are actually hurting the minorities they are supposed to be helping.

Then there are people of minority backgrounds whom are born into poverty and through hard work and shear tenacity they manage to become highly successful. Can't remember the gentleman's name over at Fox Business that is one of those success stories (primarily cause I don't watch Fox Business (I get depressed enough as it is listening to the news)). I just remember he was on one time on Fox News (I think it was Glenn Beck that had him on).

People can succeed in this country if they put their minds to it. There is really a balancing act here, how much is helping minorities actually helping and how much is just giving them a crutch and an excuse to not try. It really is not a cut-and-dry issue



Uh huh, okay you're starting off okay so far.



There are white kids born into poor neighborhoods too. The mentality of the "man is keeping us down," is kinda drilled into these kids too, so the idea is why bother trying because the white man will just make sure they fail, and that is bull****.



Uh that inferior complex is found on the left, by changing standards so that blacks are held to a lower standard in order to get into a college or get a job. I look at people like Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, etc. heck they all became somebody and they did it by the same standards as a white person would. This talk about Conservatives somehow being racist, is plain stupid. Conservatives demand people take responsibility for themselves, that is totally different than saying someone is inferior or lazy.

Seriously, the more you play the race card, the less credibility you have.

I think Colin Powel and Condaleesa Rice are indeed great success stories, but even they'd tell you they had gone up against entrenched racism in their time. And one thing that the right seems to constantly ignore is that there is racism in our country that no amount of hard work will prevail against.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Again, none of those are racist issues.

I suppose in conservative bizzaro land where calling 19th century Irish-American immigrants "disportontionately lazy and amoral" wouldn't be a racial issue, they aren't. But in the real world they are.

That's not really a racial issue either. Irish-American is not a race for one thing. So a statement like that, while definitely being a negative stereotype, is not racist as it doesn't apply to a race at all, let alone an entire race.

That was definitely blatant racism, but I don't see what it has to do with the Tea Party.

1. Being Irish is not a race. It is a nationality and an ethnos.

2. It has nothing to do with the Tea Party. There are lots of people of Irish extraction in the Tea Party.

ruveyn

As usual you miss the point.

1. 19th century Irish were treated as second class people. Whether it is racist or not is moot; the end effect was the same. They were considered lazy and amoral, which obviously isnt true.
2. There would not have been 100 years ago, as they were the minority du jour. Along with Jews, Greeks, Slavs and anyone that had a funny accent.

So who will it be in 100 years?

She was addressing bataars Irish-American comment I think. White is relatively recent generalization of race, not even certain it's universal.

I would also think they would find it extremely insulting if they were held to a lower standard simply because of their skin color.

I'm not holding them to a lower standard. I'm saying there are those who will never hire people because they are racial minorities, or will always think the worse of them.
And the "market" doesn't zap these people out of existence, as people like Rand Paul seems to think, because this line of thinking has been with us since time immemorial, and the all knowing, all powerful capitalist system hasn't done anything about them, yet.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Tojours. I take things as written, not as intended. I have no idea of what anyone intends except myself.

Have you ever considered making your points explicitly instead of relying in implication and hints?

ruveyn

I didn't realize 'white' was a race. I thought it was Caucasian. As in... on one side of the Caucus mountains.

Either way, Irish are Celtic.

How so? In what way is it even a race issue for anyone to use the possibility that a president they don't like was not born in the U.S. to get him out of office? I guarantee you, that if there had been any question at all that President Bush hadn't been born in the U.S., he would be getting the same flack from the left, if not more so than Obama has received. Would that have been racist?