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09 Apr 2011, 9:09 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
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Rhetorical Question: Why do I get the feeling that Fox News never actually editted those pictures, but mediamatters concocted these images to create a story from thin air?

Answer: Because this would be just like something mediamatters would do.
You're being ridiculous dude, they aired it themselves. Fox News is entertainment just like anything else, so of course they're gonna have bad journalism. What I credit them for however, is that their sh** stinks less than the left wing media.


Actually I'm not, remember how I showed the Beck comments where they claimed Beck was calling for violence was nothing more that a smear job taking a small piece of what he said when the context was entirely different.

There is actually a program on Fox News late at night called Red Eye, which is actually a comedy parody of the news, if those pictures were say from Red Eye, then we're talking about an equivalent of the Daily Show w/Jon Stewart and saying that represents the serious news programs.

Also AceOfSpades, you may have missed this, but mediamatters declared a campaign of guerella warfare and sabotage against Fox News.



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09 Apr 2011, 9:21 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Rhetorical Question: Why do I get the feeling that Fox News never actually editted those pictures, but mediamatters concocted these images to create a story from thin air?

Answer: Because this would be just like something mediamatters would do.
You're being ridiculous dude, they aired it themselves. Fox News is entertainment just like anything else, so of course they're gonna have bad journalism. What I credit them for however, is that their sh** stinks less than the left wing media.


Actually I'm not, remember how I showed the Beck comments where they claimed Beck was calling for violence was nothing more that a smear job taking a small piece of what he said when the context was entirely different.
Yes I know they get taken outta context a lot (I've proven that they've been taken outta context in the Wisconsin thing), but facts are facts and they aired these pictures themselves.

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There is actually a program on Fox News late at night called Red Eye, which is actually a comedy parody of the news, if those pictures were say from Red Eye, then we're talking about an equivalent of the Daily Show w/Jon Stewart and saying that represents the serious news programs.

Also AceOfSpades, you may have missed this, but mediamatters declared a campaign of guerella warfare and sabotage against Fox News.
This came from Fox & Friends They aired these photos themselves so there's not a whole lot of room for em to be taken outta context. What does mediamatters have to do with this?



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09 Apr 2011, 9:25 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
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Rhetorical Question: Why do I get the feeling that Fox News never actually editted those pictures, but mediamatters concocted these images to create a story from thin air?

Answer: Because this would be just like something mediamatters would do.
You're being ridiculous dude, they aired it themselves. Fox News is entertainment just like anything else, so of course they're gonna have bad journalism. What I credit them for however, is that their sh** stinks less than the left wing media.


Actually I'm not, remember how I showed the Beck comments where they claimed Beck was calling for violence was nothing more that a smear job taking a small piece of what he said when the context was entirely different.
Yes I know they get taken outta context a lot (I've proven that they've been taken outta context in the Wisconsin thing), but facts are facts and they aired these pictures themselves.


Without the added reference that you point out later, these pictures are also out of context.

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There is actually a program on Fox News late at night called Red Eye, which is actually a comedy parody of the news, if those pictures were say from Red Eye, then we're talking about an equivalent of the Daily Show w/Jon Stewart and saying that represents the serious news programs.

Also AceOfSpades, you may have missed this, but mediamatters declared a campaign of guerella warfare and sabotage against Fox News.
This came from Fox & Friends They aired these photos themselves so there's not a whole lot of room for em to be taken outta context. What does mediamatters have to do with this?


Fox & Friends is like a morning show, with commentaries some news and a lot of entertainment, it isn't a serious news program like shows that are on after it are.



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10 Apr 2011, 2:02 am

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What I credit them for however, is that their sh** stinks less than the left wing media.

The only reason you believe that is because you happen to agree with Fox's bias more than with MSNBC's bias.


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10 Apr 2011, 3:15 am

somewhat relevant to the OP:
holy s**t, I just looked up the price of silver.
I bought a bunch of silver bullion a couple of years ago (before the Faux people started pushing precious metals), but I stopped buying when the price topped $20. Now it's over $40. Thank you, Glen Beck! >100% profit in just a couple of years! Now I have to decide to sell and take my profit, or hang on for yet higher prices.



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10 Apr 2011, 7:33 am

Orwell wrote:
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What I credit them for however, is that their sh** (1)stinks(2) less than the left wing media (3) .

The only reason you believe that is because you happen to agree with Fox's bias more than with MSNBC's bias.


exactly
(1) the emotive words
(2) use the subjective word stinks (stinks to whom?)
(3) the use of the phrase left-wing media to discribe corporate news outlets
(4) the forcefull demands to "prove" a subjective
adds up to right bias which is fine but it is not the same as no bias.

we are all guilty of this sort of thing it is hardwired in humans.
we see the actions of our ingroup as different than the outgroup.
its different when we do it.


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10 Apr 2011, 11:15 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
Orwell wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
What I credit them for however, is that their sh** (1)stinks(2) less than the left wing media (3) .

The only reason you believe that is because you happen to agree with Fox's bias more than with MSNBC's bias.


exactly
(1) the emotive words
(2) use the subjective word stinks (stinks to whom?)
(3) the use of the phrase left-wing media to discribe corporate news outlets
(4) the forcefull demands to "prove" a subjective
adds up to right bias which is fine but it is not the same as no bias.

we are all guilty of this sort of thing it is hardwired in humans.
we see the actions of our ingroup as different than the outgroup.
its different when we do it.
(1) s**t is not a loaded term. What's your point? That swear words make my statements less credible?
(2) Who else am I supposed to speak for? What have I unknowingly signed up for?
(3) Yes and those corporate news outlets are left wing. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... well... it's definitely not a penguin. Fox News is a corporate right wing news outlet. You're not going anywhere with this.
(4) If you make accusations you have to be able to back em up. All I asked is for you to back it up. Why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp? Do you need clinical trials to find a quote of me rationalizing a right wing media f**k up as lazy editing or honest mistakes? But anyways I don't really care anyone so I'm not gonna drag this on.

Yes I am biased, but what I am not is someone who holds double standards.

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AceOfSpades wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Rhetorical Question: Why do I get the feeling that Fox News never actually editted those pictures, but mediamatters concocted these images to create a story from thin air?

Answer: Because this would be just like something mediamatters would do.
You're being ridiculous dude, they aired it themselves. Fox News is entertainment just like anything else, so of course they're gonna have bad journalism. What I credit them for however, is that their sh** stinks less than the left wing media.


Actually I'm not, remember how I showed the Beck comments where they claimed Beck was calling for violence was nothing more that a smear job taking a small piece of what he said when the context was entirely different.
Yes I know they get taken outta context a lot (I've proven that they've been taken outta context in the Wisconsin thing), but facts are facts and they aired these pictures themselves.


Without the added reference that you point out later, these pictures are also out of context.
I don't see how it is anti-semitic since one guy hasn't been given a bigger nose and there's a bunch of other features that aren't stereotypically Jewish. That's one thing taken outta context but this is still childish and petty on Fox's part.

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What I credit them for however, is that their sh** stinks less than the left wing media.

The only reason you believe that is because you happen to agree with Fox's bias more than with MSNBC's bias.
If you had actually addressed the details of my posts rather than giving me some cliche, you would've seen the beef I have with left wing media isn't bias or sensationalism but straight up lies. They've doctored photos of events which I haven't seen Fox News do yet and they've resorted to straight up lies like how they claimed Tea Party members shouted n****r and spat on a legislator which they weren't able to prove. Also they claimed someone at a Sarah Palin rally shouted "Kill him!" after Obama's name was called, but the Secret Service couldn't find anyone to verify this.

What has Fox News done that are equivalent to all this? I know for a fact they were distorting the WMD thing like crazy, but I don't remember em making any outright lies. Most of what I've seen is typical sensationalism and slanting.

I found a page which has some dirt on Fox News:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich8.html

Fact is, a lot of these things were reported by all news outlets at the time and AP and Reuters were pretty much the source for the stories. Now, I'm not blaming AP and Reuters, but my point is that they all came from the same sources and all the news outlets simply put their own slants on em. Fox News slanted it by making the WMD situation out to be certain rather than ambiguous. I haven't seen em resort to outright lying yet though. If anyone can show me an example of it, I'd be more than happy to change my mind about em. The decision to go to Iraq was based on faulty intel (The non-American intelligence agencies thought Saddam had WMD's too) rather than Bush or the media lying. I'm just pointing this out since most of the dirt I've seen on Fox News is about Iraq.



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10 Apr 2011, 11:41 am

LKL wrote:
somewhat relevant to the OP:
holy sh**, I just looked up the price of silver.
I bought a bunch of silver bullion a couple of years ago (before the Faux people started pushing precious metals), but I stopped buying when the price topped $20. Now it's over $40. Thank you, Glen Beck! >100% profit in just a couple of years! Now I have to decide to sell and take my profit, or hang on for yet higher prices.
Yay for ponzi schemes!


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10 Apr 2011, 11:43 am

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somewhat relevant to the OP:
holy sh**, I just looked up the price of silver.
I bought a bunch of silver bullion a couple of years ago (before the Faux people started pushing precious metals), but I stopped buying when the price topped $20. Now it's over $40. Thank you, Glen Beck! >100% profit in just a couple of years! Now I have to decide to sell and take my profit, or hang on for yet higher prices.
Yay for ponzi schemes!


Precious Metal values have increased due to something known as inflation, caused by Government Printing lots of money. I would call the insane printing of currency a ponzi scheme.



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10 Apr 2011, 12:47 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
rationalizing a right wing media f**k up as lazy editing or honest mistakes?

RIght, when Fox does it, it's laziness, an honest mistake, or at worst "childish." When anyone else does it, it's fraud, lying, and obviously for some evil motive.

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Yes I am biased, but what I am not is someone who holds double standards.

Yes, you are.


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10 Apr 2011, 1:08 pm

Orwell wrote:
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rationalizing a right wing media f**k up as lazy editing or honest mistakes?

RIght, when Fox does it, it's laziness, an honest mistake, or at worst "childish." When anyone else does it, it's fraud, lying, and obviously for some evil motive.
How is doctoring photos of events the equivalent of doctoring photos of reporters to make em look uglier? If you are reporting on an event, you're not supposed to tamper photos since that can either misrepresent the event or obstruct investigation into that event. Yes cropping, cutting, and taking things outta context can also misrepresent an event but a photo or a video is supposed to show things as they literally are. Cutting and cropping is distorting the truth, while tampering with photos is straight up lying. Tampering with a photo of a person is fraud if say the cops are looking for a missing person and they are given a tampered photo. Or if you edit a photo so that it looks like a person is doing drugs. But editing a photo to make people look ugly isn't the equivalent to any of em. The authenticity of their appearance isn't crucial to any specific event. This isn't a double standard, this is a clear standard that applies to both sides.

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Quote:
Yes I am biased, but what I am not is someone who holds double standards.

Yes, you are.
Then prove it. All you'd brought to the table so far are vague statements. I'd like you to address the specifics cuz I've brought up examples and went into detail. Bring up some examples of where Fox News lied.



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10 Apr 2011, 2:31 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
LKL wrote:
somewhat relevant to the OP:
holy sh**, I just looked up the price of silver.
I bought a bunch of silver bullion a couple of years ago (before the Faux people started pushing precious metals), but I stopped buying when the price topped $20. Now it's over $40. Thank you, Glen Beck! >100% profit in just a couple of years! Now I have to decide to sell and take my profit, or hang on for yet higher prices.
Yay for ponzi schemes!


Precious Metal values have increased due to something known as inflation, caused by Government Printing lots of money. I would call the insane printing of currency a ponzi scheme.


Honey, Inflation has not been >100% over the last ten years, much less the last five. Precious metal prices are up because Beck is causing a speculative bubble. Now that he's off the air, I guess I should sell.



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10 Apr 2011, 2:44 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
LKL wrote:
somewhat relevant to the OP:
holy sh**, I just looked up the price of silver.
I bought a bunch of silver bullion a couple of years ago (before the Faux people started pushing precious metals), but I stopped buying when the price topped $20. Now it's over $40. Thank you, Glen Beck! >100% profit in just a couple of years! Now I have to decide to sell and take my profit, or hang on for yet higher prices.
Yay for ponzi schemes!


Precious Metal values have increased due to something known as inflation, caused by Government Printing lots of money. I would call the insane printing of currency a ponzi scheme.



It's more the demand than it is inflation.


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10 Apr 2011, 3:16 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
LKL wrote:
somewhat relevant to the OP:
holy sh**, I just looked up the price of silver.
I bought a bunch of silver bullion a couple of years ago (before the Faux people started pushing precious metals), but I stopped buying when the price topped $20. Now it's over $40. Thank you, Glen Beck! >100% profit in just a couple of years! Now I have to decide to sell and take my profit, or hang on for yet higher prices.
Yay for ponzi schemes!


Precious Metal values have increased due to something known as inflation, caused by Government Printing lots of money. I would call the insane printing of currency a ponzi scheme.



It's more the demand than it is inflation.


Yes printing several billion dollars in paper money is adding to demand... :roll:



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10 Apr 2011, 5:48 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
LKL wrote:
somewhat relevant to the OP:
holy sh**, I just looked up the price of silver.
I bought a bunch of silver bullion a couple of years ago (before the Faux people started pushing precious metals), but I stopped buying when the price topped $20. Now it's over $40. Thank you, Glen Beck! >100% profit in just a couple of years! Now I have to decide to sell and take my profit, or hang on for yet higher prices.
Yay for ponzi schemes!


Precious Metal values have increased due to something known as inflation, caused by Government Printing lots of money. I would call the insane printing of currency a ponzi scheme.



It's more the demand than it is inflation.


Yes printing several billion dollars in paper money is adding to demand... :roll:


If your statement were correct, then the cost of EVERYTHING would have increased at the same rate as the cost of silver.

But it hasn't.

Hence, there is more at work here than simple inflation. Or are you saying that inflation has increased the cost of everything by 100% over the last several years?



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10 Apr 2011, 5:52 pm

Exactly how much more bills are supposedly being printed? 700%-1000% sounds way over the top.