France Bans The Burqa

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Pick on the little squirt. Thats the Churchillian spirit.

If they wanted Sharia law, why move here? There's plenty of countries in the Middle East or South Asia where they could live that kind of lifestyle. But no, I really don't think they do want that lifestyle for themselves. And the rest of the population certainly doesn't.

Tear down the divisive policy of multiculturalism and bring in a new era of integration and multiracialism instead. Simple.

I'd rather let muslim women decide what they wear and you'd rather decide for them. Monoculturalism? Isn't life boring enough for you?

We'd all be drinking warm beer 24/7, morris dancing and watching endless repeats of Dads Army.

It's not a religious or cultural issue. That's my point. One of the features of Western culture is that we like to see the person we're talking to, to work out body language. A statement can be so much more than just a statement, depending on all kinds of factors. A niqab robs us of so much information.

Niqabs and burqas are not religious or cultural items of clothing. A hijab - i.e. headscarf - is. No-one minds Muslims or anyone else wearing a headscarf. I dislike that horrible black tarpaulin thing intensely. But I am not calling for a ban on it, and I would oppose one if it was proposed. As I oppose the French ban.

Would you let me into a bank with my balaclava on? Because Muslim women are allowed in veiled all the time. Why should I have my face captured on CCTV everywhere and not them? What makes Muslim women a special case? Plus, there have been cases of giving their babies (and themselves) rickets due to a lack of sunlight.

Those who wear niqabs are opting out of a major part of Western society.

Oh, and I should say that if you think it's just us eeeeeeevil Brits that don't like the burqa/niqab, you couldn't be more wrong.

Syria, a famously Muslim nation, had banned the niqab in their universities last year. The ban has been overturned.

It seems once-secular Syria is now going down the pan. The last casino in the country has been forcibly closed ahead of elections there.

Don't ever presume that. In politics, it is the vocal minority that often gets its way. To appease a few who are willing to get violent, the masses would use your reasoning to see no harm in making concessions. Within 20 years, you have a radically different nation from this minority demanding small concessions year after year.

As others say, if they want to live under Sharia law, go back where you came from. You don't immigrate to another nation to expect it to conform to the world you once knew.

The other problem is that the obtaining of further concessions from the Government will result in even more segregation from the majority and will result in more hostility, hardened attitudes (on all sides), a yet-more-inflated sense of entitlement, further distrust which could prove dangerous and spill over into sectarian violence in some areas.

So it's not just as simple as 'let people dress how they like'. Even many libertarians are worried about the niqab/burqa - it is so against our culture generally. It is there as a marker of territory and is intended to say "We are different from You. We believe in X. X is more important than integrating. We can see You, Your body language, Your facial features and We can learn a lot about You but You cannot learn anything about Us apart from our blank, expressionless eyes, whilst the rest of our face is hidden in a slit. You are not worthy of seeing our faces but We can look at yours all we like."

let the indignant chickens cackle, I care not....

peace j

Article in today's Telegraph:

Muslim Council: women cannot debate wearing veil

The body which claims to be the voice of Britain's Muslims has told women that wearing the veil is "not open to debate".

The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) said that not covering the face is a "shortcoming" and suggested that any Muslims who advocate being uncovered could be guilty of rejecting Islam.

In a statement published on its website the MCB, warns: "We advise all Muslims to exercise extreme caution on this issue, since denying any part of Islam may lead to disbelief.

"Not practising something enjoined by Allah and his Messenger… is a shortcoming. Denying it is much more serious."

The statement quotes from the Koran: "It is not for a believer, man or woman, that they should have any option in their decision when Allah and his Messenger have decreed a matter."

The statement will add to controversy about the veil after France earlier this week banned the full-face covering.

(snorts)

So women wearing the veil is all about freedom for Muslim women, is it?

(guffaws)

No. It should be about people going out in public masked in such a way as they cannot be identified. Such things should be prohibited.

ruveyn

I can't find the original piece on the Muslim Council website, but there is a link to the document cited below, which has a list of signatures at the end including

1. Dr Daud Abdullah
Deputy Secretary General, Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)


4. Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari
Secretary General, Muslim Council of Britain (MCB)

Important advice to the muslim community


One of the points given in the document is:

"3. The veil, irrespective of its specific juristic rulings, is an Islamic practice and not a cultural or a customary one as is agreed by the consensus of Muslim scholars; it is not open to debate. "

Read the article. One of the premier Muslim 'talking shops' has told Muslim women that they are not allowed to talk about whether they want to wear the niqab or not.

The reason why I laughed is that a lot of left-wing feminist types claim that the niqab/burqa empowers Muslim women and gives them the freedom to be themselves.

But the MCB has just told those women that wearing the niqab is not open to debate.

Which rather gives the lie to the ludicrous 'freedom' canard.

ruveyn: There are circumstances where it might be beneficial for people to wear masks when demonstrating, in order not to be harassed by the police later on.

Oh, and then there's this:

Over at spiked-online there's some analysis, too:



Yes, very odd.

Freedom of expression must always remain paramount. Burning a book is a stupid and pointless thing to do in much the same way as burning a flag (any flag) is. But it's a legitimate method of expression and I'm damned if I'm letting anti-free speech leftists take that away from me.

Perhaps we should burn the red flag instead?

this surd shed some light in why Islam have high regard for the koran
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... an#Culture

Yes, it's probably extremely offensive. And the people who burn the Quran are twats. What else do you want me to say? People who Bible-bash are twats too. So are Muslims who want Sharia law here. As are people who burn Union Jacks here in Britain (Irish republicans, Islamists).