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05 Jan 2014, 2:19 pm

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Which is exactly what Obama did.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... g-form.pdf


Um, no.

That has been debunked as a forgery on so many grounds, and I won't rehash it here.

That it was released by the White House and not an impartial 3rd party (e.g., having Hawaii release it to the NYT, for example) means it could have been tampered with, and evidence of tampering was found.

As I said, the White House stunt pushed the burden of proof to get a court order so far back that it's near impossible now to get the courts involved in the debate. Up to that point, the courts might have taken an interest because Obama would not let people have access to the records. He still won't let people access the records....he insists they trust a document that came out of his hands that has evidence of tampering.


Is there any dispute that President Obama's mother was American? If not, then, by virtue of Fox News' ( :hail: ) claim that Mr. Cruz is eligible for the presidency based upon his mother's citizenship, isn't that the signal that it is time for everyone to shut up? I mean, you wouldn't want this issue to get in the way of Ted Cruz's election, would you?



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05 Jan 2014, 2:29 pm

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I think the powers that be can figure out how to get a legitimate copy of Obama's birth certificate. You guys are really embarrassing yourselves with this.


Um, the law is clear. NOBODY can just go in and get your birth certificate. It requires a COURT ORDER or your WRITTEN CONSENT.

Obama never granted consent. No court has issued an order mandating production of a certified copy.

This leaves bribing someone to illegally release a copy to the public...and that's not easy to pull off.

For so many people to be complicit in this "cover-up"... there is no way that the truth wouldn't come out. Obama may not be the greatest president the US has ever had, but suggesting he is not a citizen . . . it doesn't bear up.
I know that there are a lot of truths that the general populace will never know about, but I think if someone had proof that he wasn't a citizen they would have presented it.



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05 Jan 2014, 5:14 pm

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Anyway, I find it somewhat amusing that people are still questioning the citizenship of Barack Obama. Last time I checked, he is the *ONLY* US president who has actually provided valid proof of being born in the US.


Even more amusing is the fact that anyone who dares mention anything about Mr. Cruz's birthplace and citizenships is labeled a "T-word."


Sigh...... :roll:
Cruz was born in Calgary in 1970 when his parents lived there temporarily as oil workers. He has lived in the United States since 1974. It wouldn't matter because a senator DOES NOT have to be American born, only a citizen. The president DOES have to be American born. It's actually in the constitution. There would be nothing to make a "birther" case against Cruz.


Except that, his name is coming up as a potential candidate for the Repugnican presidential nomination.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... n/2064395/

And, after all of the birther nonsense against President Obama, the Repugnicans are arguing that Ted Cruz can be president.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05 ... ntial-run/

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..."the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion appears to support the notion that 'natural born citizen' means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship 'at birth' or 'by birth,' including … those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements."...


The birthers never once said "well, his mother was an American, so even if he was born in Kenya, that's good enough." They've been ranting and raving indecently for years.


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1. The presidential election isn't until 2016. Late 2016 at that. This is only VERY early 2014. A bit too soon for hand-wringing, isn't it?
2. It doesnt matter what "Faux Noise" or the "repugnicans" want. If the candidate is not US born he can't serve as president.
3. WTF are you doing reading stuff from Fox, anyway? Me, a hate-filled conservative, rarely reads or listens to Fox.


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05 Jan 2014, 5:45 pm

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Even if everything you say is true, that's not the point of the thread.


What is the point of this ancient thread then? As far as I can tell, it was only resurrected for trolling purposes.


(Sigh) The point of this ridiculous argument is if the President is legally the President. The whole thread was started as an insult to the commander-in-chief, in support of gullible dullards whose wet dream is about seeing Obama booted from the White House into a ghetto.


Sigh....and if the "Commander in Chief" were a republican under attack you'd be equally appalled?? :roll:


Who says?


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05 Jan 2014, 6:41 pm

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Even if everything you say is true, that's not the point of the thread.


What is the point of this ancient thread then? As far as I can tell, it was only resurrected for trolling purposes.


(Sigh) The point of this ridiculous argument is if the President is legally the President. The whole thread was started as an insult to the commander-in-chief, in support of gullible dullards whose wet dream is about seeing Obama booted from the White House into a ghetto.


Sigh....and if the "Commander in Chief" were a republican under attack you'd be equally appalled?? :roll:


Who says?


I don't think you understood.


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05 Jan 2014, 6:49 pm

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Even if everything you say is true, that's not the point of the thread.


What is the point of this ancient thread then? As far as I can tell, it was only resurrected for trolling purposes.


(Sigh) The point of this ridiculous argument is if the President is legally the President. The whole thread was started as an insult to the commander-in-chief, in support of gullible dullards whose wet dream is about seeing Obama booted from the White House into a ghetto.


Sigh....and if the "Commander in Chief" were a republican under attack you'd be equally appalled?? :roll:


Who says?


I don't think you understood.


Okay, I must have reinterpreted your post in my head. My proper answer is:

Yes, I like to think I would be.


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05 Jan 2014, 7:09 pm

Now, remember, boyz :shameonyou:

Whilst the Repugnican playbook does indeed call for shouting "T-Word!" at every possible opportunity, particularly when one can think of nothing more intelligent to say, which, for some, may be most of the time:

Fox News ( :hail: ) is saying "Shush!" So, you had better "Shush!", or Bill O'Reilly ( :hail: ) himself will be sitting on your face! :shameonyou:



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05 Jan 2014, 7:38 pm

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Ah yes, the T-word: What liberals call conservatives and libertarians when they get pwn3d by them or simply don't agree with them.
BUT, if you call a liberal T out for being a T, that's a "personal attack".


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05 Jan 2014, 7:42 pm

Oh, for the love of Zod.

"Troll" is not an obscene word on WrongPlanet.

Just don't expect moderators to jump in whenever you invoke it...



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05 Jan 2014, 7:51 pm

Oh? T-word refers to troll? I thought it referred to Ted Cruz! :D


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05 Jan 2014, 8:01 pm

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Oh, for the love of Zod.

"Troll" is not an obscene word on WrongPlanet.

Just don't expect moderators to jump in whenever you invoke it...


Well, some of us may have had some experiences in the past....with certain moderators....you're not all of one mind on this.....so, some of us may be trying to tread cautiously....another moderator might jump in at any time and administer floggings....one never knows....



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05 Jan 2014, 8:03 pm

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BUT, if you call a liberal T out for being a T, that's a "personal attack".


That's absolutely right! So you had better watch it, Buster! :shameonyou:



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05 Jan 2014, 8:12 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
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Oh, for the love of Zod.

"Troll" is not an obscene word on WrongPlanet.

Just don't expect moderators to jump in whenever you invoke it...

Well, some of us may have had some experiences in the past....with certain moderators....you're not all of one mind on this.....so, some of us may be trying to tread cautiously....another moderator might jump in at any time and administer floggings....one never knows....

AP, your concept of cautious is equivalent to dancing Gangnam style in a minefield...

Anyway, the only reason why this thread hasn't been locked due to necromancy is because it has some relevance to a contemporary political figure (Ted Cruz).

If you and Raptor keep spamming your predictable tit-for-tat posting, I will lock the thread.



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05 Jan 2014, 8:33 pm

:hail:



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05 Jan 2014, 8:59 pm

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Oh, for the love of Zod.

"Troll" is not an obscene word on WrongPlanet.

Just don't expect moderators to jump in whenever you invoke it...


So, does that mean I can tell someone to go troll themselves? :lol:


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05 Jan 2014, 9:06 pm

Anyway, although I did resurrect this thread because of Mr. Cruz, and his situation being in line at least with what had been said about the president, I find it fascinating that the bitterness over President Obama's birth certificate is just as intense as ever. Even after all of these years. The conversation carries on as if President Obama's birth certificate is the freshest topic in the universe.