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16 Jul 2011, 11:10 pm

pandabear wrote:

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ruveyn wrote:

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Some folks in Israel are taking advantage of the offer in a very big way. Maybe you should see whether you could cash in somehow, too.

I don't believe in "cashing in". I believe in earning by due effort. I refuse to take advantage of someone else's dopey doings.

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But, that is exactly what capitalism and free markets are all about.

Takataka hapa,
Pale pia takataka
Takataka pote,
Kila siku takataka

I'm glad that you agree.

I used to tell my students - NEVER agree or disagree with anything until you know what it really says.

I can agree with this point so far as it goes, but it is still part of your DQS shenanigans, and your work adds up to takataka.

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16 Jul 2011, 11:36 pm

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Besides, based on what you wrote in the previous response, you were "angry" at Christians for wanting to help you. And now you are saying yes you do want them to help you, you just don't believe that they mean it. Now if it is as simple as not believeing because you haven't seen YET (! !!), then why is it becoming something that is being held AGAINST them? Have you "seen" the SECOND holocaust comming and them NOT helping you? No.

I was annoyed by the perceived condescension of their motives. I would just as soon NOT have have Christians pray for me or bless me. I will settle for good manners.

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More than fair enough. But as reminder, good manners do work both ways.

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16 Jul 2011, 11:39 pm

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He seems to be implying that the Jewish people are playing the victim card in order to take advantage of people.

You are so profoundly bad at reading people one could almost say that your brain is wired
in some alien fashion like you were born on the . . . I don't know. . . wrongplanet.

LOW blow.

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16 Jul 2011, 11:46 pm

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The Ku Klux Klan used to be anti-Catholic, but now permits Catholics to join. Probably they will eventually admit Jews as well.

I think Ku Klux Klan probably hates Jews even more than blacks; it is simply being overlooked. For example, David Duke regards blacks as merely a tool that Jews use in order to destroy the European culture. It is also evident that David Duke hates Jews more than other minorities in that he supports Palestine over Israel.

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17 Jul 2011, 5:45 am

Roman wrote:

pandabear wrote:

The Ku Klux Klan used to be anti-Catholic, but now permits Catholics to join. Probably they will eventually admit Jews as well.

The Ku Klux Klan is a minimal splinter group. Back in the 1920 it numbered tens of millions and not just in the South either. Now it is a group of little political significance. They are an unpleasant lot, but no more than a blotch on the body politic.

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17 Jul 2011, 6:03 am

metaphysics wrote:

Philologos wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Philologos wrote:

The Hebrews:

Could be a culturally aberrant Canaanite tribe from the frontier moved into the center.

Could be a non-Canaanite Semitic tribe or confederacy moved in, took over, intermarried and took on the local lingo.

No way to discriminate.

Check the "Bible Unearthed" by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Silberman. You may find it very interesting.

It looks at first glance like an interesting compilation that I may try to fit into my schedule - they keep me busy.

Almost certainly the Hebrews originated in a confederacy of tribes, not necessarily all originally Semitic in tongue, probably not all joined at the same time, They will have come to the region by different routes; there is a high probability some were urban Canaanites who joined up.

While things are still being found, the area has received a LOT or archaeological attention for a long time. The critical period is probably going to be preliterate, and I can't guess how many inscriptions you would need to reconstruct anything. Uninscribed artifacts cannot attest to the linguistic affinities of their makers or users. Most of the Thamudic inscriptions, for example, are along the lines of "Albie son of Kilroy was here. Nice campsite." The names can at least tell you probable language and a bit about religion given the frequency of theophoric names in the ancient Mideast, but for the Hebrews we just don't have it.

The Akkadians give is the tantalizing "Habiru" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habiru - and "dawidum" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele - but it is not enough. Why won't they let me use the University's time scanner?

(Following our linguist...)
Help me, please...I think he has brought a challenging one for both of us, linguist.

the "Bible Unearthed" by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Silberman.?! !!

Middle east man....

I beg you...

Tell us more please....

If you have read it....

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17 Jul 2011, 8:54 am

One thing for sure. Christians are not fellow Jews. Not by a long shot. Why? Main reason: the goyische kopf.

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17 Jul 2011, 1:56 pm

I'm Methodist this is what we believe about Jews

Christians and Jews are bound to God though biblical covenants that are eternally valid.

As Christians, we stand firm in our belief that Jesus was sent by God as the Christ to redeem all people, and that in Christ the biblical covenant has been made radically new. While church tradition has taught that Judaism has been superseded by Christianity as the "new Israel," we do not believe that earlier covenantal relationships have been invalidated or that God has abandoned Jewish partners in covenant.

We believe that just as God is steadfastly faithful to the biblical covenant in Jesus Christ, likewise God is steadfastly faithful to the biblical covenant with the Jewish people. The covenant God established with the Jewish people through Abraham, Moses, and others continues because it is an eternal covenant. Paul proclaims that the gift and call of God to the Jews is irrevocable (Romans 11:29). Thus, we believe that the Jewish people continue in covenantal relationship with God.

Both Jews and Christians are bound to God in covenant, with no covenantal relationship invalidated by any other. Though Christians and Jews have different understandings of the covenant of faith, we are mysteriously bound to one another through our covenantal relationships with the one God and Creator of us all.

(5) As Christians, we are clearly called to witness to the gospel of Jesus Christ in every age and place. At the same time, we believe that God has continued, and continues today, to work through Judaism and the Jewish people.

Essential to the Christian faith is the call to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ to all people. Through the announcement of the gospel in word and work comes the opportunity for others to glimpse the glory of God, which we have found through Jesus Christ. Yet we also understand that the issues of the evangelization of persons of other faiths, and of Jews in particular, are often sensitive and difficult. These issues call for continuing serious and respectful reflection and dialogue among Christians and with Jews.

While we as Christians respond faithfully to the call to proclaim the gospel in all places, we can never presume to know the full extent of God's work in the world, and we recognize the reality of God's activity outside the Christian church. It is central to our faith that salvation is accomplished not by human beings, but by God. We know that judgment as to the ultimate salvation of persons from any faith community, including Christianity and Judaism, belongs to God alone.

It is our belief that Jews and Christians are coworkers and companion pilgrims who have made the God of Israel known throughout the world. Through common service and action, we jointly proclaim the God we know. Together through study and prayer, we can learn how the God we believe to be the same God speaks and calls us continually into closer relationship with one another, as well as with God."

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17 Jul 2011, 2:54 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Roman wrote:

pandabear wrote:

The Ku Klux Klan used to be anti-Catholic, but now permits Catholics to join. Probably they will eventually admit Jews as well.

They were in my part of the country, the Pacific Northwest back in the twenties. I had a great uncle who had almost joined them, till my grandfather and great grandmother had talked him out of it, saying, "They're dirty people!"
A Klan recruiter, a bit upset that a new recruit had been persuaded to back off, approached my grandfather, telling him that there were a lot of people around who were members, and that some night, his hay stack might might catch on fire. My grandfather replied with another veiled counter threat that, "Well, a lot of us around here belong to the I.W.W., too." (My grandfather had been a member prior to settling down to farm.)
The threat must have worked, because no one ever set fire to my grandfather's hay stack.

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17 Jul 2011, 4:03 pm

I seem to remember there was a flurry of KKK activity in Michigan about early 70s.

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17 Jul 2011, 6:28 pm

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I seem to remember there was a flurry of KKK activity in Michigan about early 70s.

A flurry; It did not amount to anything major. The KKK is splinter in the hide of the body politic.

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18 Jul 2011, 12:11 pm

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Thank you for giving a more thorough explanation.

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18 Jul 2011, 9:25 pm

I am the second guy on the left

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18 Jul 2011, 9:44 pm

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I am the second guy on the left

Okay?

I imagine a lot of people in Israel would say you are a moron though.

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18 Jul 2011, 10:17 pm

So what is it NKUSA?

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18 Jul 2011, 10:19 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

I am the second guy on the left

Then it is a bit surprising you consider Christians to be antisemitic for saying "most rabbis have been wrong". Aren't you basically saying the same thing?

I realize you will probably tell me that you are not criticizing any rabbis BEFORE the creation of Israel. But you do ... How about Naturey Karta sign "true Jews support Aman"? I am sure most Jews throughout centuries would disagree with this one.

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