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12 Aug 2011, 10:47 pm

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Me paying for some 17-year old bimbo's breast implants, nose job, liposuction, and tummy-tuck so that she can win a beauty contest? No way in Hell!

Or what about a Nigerian who came here specifically so she could have a baby?

Gawd, don't get me started on illegal immigrants and their "Anchor Babies", unless you want to see me win another flame war!

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13 Aug 2011, 1:33 am

Fnord wrote:

Tequila wrote:

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Me paying for some 17-year old bimbo's breast implants, nose job, liposuction, and tummy-tuck so that she can win a beauty contest? No way in Hell!

Or what about a Nigerian who came here specifically so she could have a baby?

Gawd, don't get me started on illegal immigrants and their "Anchor Babies", unless you want to see me win another flame war!

I assumed 'came here to have a baby,' meant, 'came here to have less of a chance of dying in childbirth during the process of having a baby.' There are more reasons than one to want to deliver in the hospital of a first-world nation.

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13 Aug 2011, 1:54 am

What's wrong with socialism? Do you like owning anything?

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13 Aug 2011, 6:40 am

some people on here seem to have misunderstood the term liberal socialism.

the state has nothin to do with a private company, you can own pretty much what you want.

@inuyasha, you sir are mad as a hatter, i cant even understand what you mean by that post.

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13 Aug 2011, 7:15 am

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What's wrong with socialism? Do you like owning anything?

I dislike being treated by Society or the Government as if I were property.

I live for my own sake and the sake of my family. I do not live for the State, for Society, for The People or for God. I am selfish so I oppose Socialism which is anti-self and altruistic.

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13 Aug 2011, 7:19 am

Oodain wrote:

some people on here seem to have misunderstood the term liberal socialism.

Don't you mean social liberalism?

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13 Aug 2011, 7:21 am

Tequila wrote:

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some people on here seem to have misunderstood the term liberal socialism.

Don't you mean social liberalism?

It all adds up to soft fascism. Fascism with a smile, rather than fascism with a jack-boot in the face.

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13 Aug 2011, 7:39 am

i doubt there is much difference in personal liberty,
to be honest i dont know what term you would use, to me it is a hybrid system.
COUNTRY FINAL WEIGHTED AVERAGE ECONOMIC FREEDOM AVG EF RANK GOVT AND TAX AVG G&T RANK INDIV FREEDOM AVG IF RANK

United Kingdom 81.96 81.25 5 65.10 22 99.53 11
United States 81.96 80.50 6 66.24 20 99.13 19
Denmark 76.48 78.75 11 50.75 94 99.95 2

world freedom index

we give up a higher percentage of our income with taxes and our companies are regulated, that gives us higher personal liberty.
everything is a trade off but to think that simply because there is some socialist ideology it will infringe on your personal choice, is to me plain wrong.

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13 Aug 2011, 9:18 am

Well Denmark has a pretty stable economy vs other european countries and we are what we would call socialists.

Our credit rating is still AAA.

And why isn't socialists free because I thought socialism was free market and everyone is social equal.

And we are pretty free you just can't make blasphemic or racistic comments public.

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13 Aug 2011, 10:14 am

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The trade off: economic stability for freedom of speech. Bad trade.

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13 Aug 2011, 10:26 am

you can make all the blasphemic remarks you want, you can critisize who you want,
discrimination is punishable under certain circumstances.

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13 Aug 2011, 10:27 am

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you can make all the blasphemic remarks you want, you can critisize who you want,
discrimination is punishable under certain circumstances.

That means freedom of association and contract has been substantially compromised.

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13 Aug 2011, 10:34 am

and you just pulled that out of your ass, you have no idea of the laws or anything behind it.
you know nothing of what circumstances we are talking about.

jeez

even the us have laws against discrimination laws

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009
Age Discrimination Act of 1975
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967[4]
Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990[5]
California Fair Employment and Housing Act[6]
Civil Rights Act of 1871[7]
Civil Rights Act of 1964[8]
Civil Rights Act of 1968
Civil Rights Act of 1991
Employment Non-Discrimination Act
Equal Pay Act of 1963
Executive Order 11478[9]
Executive Order 13166 – “Improving Access to Services for Persons with Limited English Proficiency”
Fair Employment Act of 1941
Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 - enables qualified employees to take prolonged unpaid leave for family and health-related reasons without fear of losing their jobs. For private employers with 15 or more employers
Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act
Immigration and Nationality Services Act of 1965
Lloyd – La Follette Act (1912)
No-FEAR Act
Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978
Rehabilitation Act of 1973

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13 Aug 2011, 10:42 am

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The 14th amendment guarantees (at least linguistically) equal protection of the laws. Most of the other stuff is unconstitutional shinanigans played by Congress and permitted by the courts.

There is nothing in the 14th amendment that says a private employer can not refuse to hire people he does not want to hire for whatever reason he does not want to hire them. Not a word. Not a syllable. The 14th amendment regulates -government- not private firms.

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13 Aug 2011, 11:39 am

so making gross unfounded discrimination illegal makes it fascists state?

if so it would say just as much about pretty much any other system r nation as it would those with socialist ideas.

nothing is ever absolute,

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13 Aug 2011, 1:42 pm

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so making gross unfounded discrimination illegal makes it fascists state?

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People in the private domain should be able to associate with whomsoever they please (assuming the feeling is mutual) and disassociate from whomsoever they please (as long as that does not violate a legal contract). Our lives belong to us, not the State and not to Society.

If it be not harmful then does as thou will or not, as the case may be.

You are not here just to live for others. You are your own, first and foremost.

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