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Emerson may have avoided foolish consistency, but I worry that he might have been consistently foolish. Consider the exponents of his ideas, i.e. Henry David Thoreau.

So, what you're saying is, you don't pay sales tax on any of that, or VAT in some area's? Everything you buy for your company is 100% tax free?

You can deduct all you want, you're still going to pay taxes on your purchases. If it's labor cost, you're going to pay even more. Your employee's don't pay taxes, you pay taxes for your employees.

Yeah, some people make a lot of money, and they pay a lot of taxes. How is it the private sector can accomplish tasks at a fraction of the cost of government? Why do you want to pay so much more for basic services that can be handled better in the private sector? Anytime the government sticks their fingers into something you pay for it. It doesn't even have to be a tax. You buy a car, you're going to pay sales taxes, and regulation fee's that are included in the cost of the vehicle. The manufacturer pays the taxes and regulation fee's with your money. My god man, do you know how little a car would cost if every little thing on it from the windshield to the switches weren't regulated by a government entity? And what happens when they fail? Does the government pay for it? No you do, with higher taxes and even more regulation.

And I don't understand how tax works. You don't understand the fundamentals.

Funny how you go after his argument but not mine, showing all those socialistic (read:high tax) countries doing pretty darned well compared to low taxed countries

I'll go back to North Korea that effectively has a 100% tax rate, and they're doing splendidly wouldn't you agree?

But now that I think about it, could there possibly be a perfect balance between productivity and taxes, or is that just a crazy utopian dream?

There is. Same as most everything else, to little is bad, too much is bad. Somalia, no government and no taxes, terrible place to be. North Korea, government takes damn near everything and controls everything, terrible place to be.

Although why you persist in using a dictatorship as the only part of your argument is beyond me.

Somalia can't really be called a country. One of the definitions of a country is a having a police force or military that can defend it from invasion which it effectively does not have.

My original argument had something to do with finding one true Atheist nation that has a good standard of living. All the examples given still had a recognized religion either state recognized or at least a freedom of religion.

North Korea has neither, and has high taxes and is a dictatorship. I think no matter how you slice it, never will a country exist founded on Atheism that will flourish into a free economic society with a high standard of living.

If you think it's possible, build a new country and prove it until then the discussion has no foundation.

...How does a country run by Atheists immediately lose freedom of religion? Again you're assuming any Atheist country will by default be a dictatorship.

Somalia may not fit the definition of a country, but you'll find it on maps
It's a destabilized country.

This is such a flawed argument. North Korea is a country founded on Communism and Juche. It is not a nation founded on Atheism. It is not really even an atheist nation. They have built the leadership into divinity as part of the cult of personality. It is a religious society. You fail to understand that most atheists are not Communist, and furthermore, the only sort of state policy on religion supported by the vast majority of atheists (and a great many theists) is the separation of church and state and no taxpayer money going to promoting any particular religion.

I'm already confused. Your thought processes are unclear and undirected.

It's a provable fact North Korea is an atheistic nation. The worship of man is atheistic. It does not rely on deity. Communism is inherently an Atheistic form of governance. All your efforts belong to the state, nothing is left to you or whatever deity you believe in.

Why is this SO BLOODY HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

I feel like I'm writing to a room full of blind people.

They don't worship a man, they worship him as a god. The founder of the country is there god, and the current ruler is the living incarnation of said god, like Yahweh and Jesus.

Through influence and power of those with differing opinion.

Religion is an opinion. Atheism is an opinion. The balance teeters with arguments from both sides. If enough people come into power on the side of Atheism history has shown time and time again the country fails to provide a good standard of living. It happened in Russia, it happened in China, it's happening now in North Korea.

Yes "him" as a god. They worship him, a man. It's an atheist fallacy.

Jesus was never to be worshiped. Yahweh is another name for god, not of man.

Russia, North Korea, China... hmm... all dictatorships (at that point in history)...

Although China is currently in the process of becoming the largest world super power.

So, Sweden (full of Atheists, despite your belief) has no freedom of religion?

There is no confusion. At all. You're simply wrong.

Are you incapable of engaging in one post without a straw man? Atheism involves no worship of anything. You might as well start saying that its a hobby when you *don't* collect stamps.

Communism is an inherently flawed form of governance. Furthermore you need only look at the leftist guerrillas of many Central and South American nations and see they were far from atheist. These were groups that were funded by the "Atheist" USSR

You fail to understand that though atheism is advocated by Marx, the brutal enforcement of it is not encouraged. North Korea's poor standard of living is because of its poor economic planning and vast amount of resources spent on its military. Besides the cruelty of its leaders/Gods

Stop equating atheism and communism. Atheism has been around for thousands of years, generally suppressed brutally by your ilk.

Lets take a look at theocratic countries as the polar opposite: Iran, Saudi Arabia... maybe even the United States

Maybe I need to repeat: atheists want freedom from religion, and complete division of church and state. Not a form of government dominated by any one philosophy.

I should also add that plenty of theistic religions worship mortals who were uplifted to Godhood. North Koreans essentially see it this way, cw10. Not that you're likely to acknowledge that