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Which of These Candidate Should Win?
Poll ended at 06 Nov 2012, 5:10 pm
Barack Obama, Joe Biden (Democratic Party) 50%  50%  [ 56 ]
Jill Stein, Cheri Honkala (Green Party) 10%  10%  [ 11 ]
Gary Johnson, Jim Gray (Libertarian Party) 12%  12%  [ 13 ]
Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan (Republican Party) 19%  19%  [ 21 ]
Other Write-In Candidate: ________________ (Please Detail Below) 10%  10%  [ 11 ]
Total votes : 112

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07 Nov 2012, 3:55 am

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1. Hating whites makes you a racist.

I am white, and I hate racism.


You're a white who hates whites. You're not only a racist, you're a hypocrite to boot.



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07 Nov 2012, 3:57 am

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Obama was unpopular, Mitt was worse

in your opinion, would it have made a difference if slick willard had instead chosen a woman or a latino running mate?


In the final result? Probably not. I think Romney probably could of carried Florida with as close as it is if he had chosen Marco Rubio instead of Paul Ryan. Not sure how much Rubio helps outside of there with just his heritage but I imagine if they had gone that direction there would of been a more concerted effort to court Hispanic voters in general. In the end, Romney still was the guy on the top of the ticket.



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07 Nov 2012, 9:07 am

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1. Hating whites makes you a racist.
I am white, and I hate racism.
You're a white who hates whites. You're not only a racist, you're a hypocrite to boot.

I hate racism. I do not hate people for the color of their skin, but for their self-righteous moralizing and contempt of anyone who has the strength of spirit to stand up for equality, even if it's against their own kind.

I also hate those people (black, white, or otherwise) who would maintain the culture of racist domination and sexist repression that was first established in this country back in 1776 by a group of wealthy, white, slave-owning, protestant men -- men who denied the right to vote to women, Catholics, Jews, non-whites, and the landless poor and called it "Christian Values" -- men whom we now refer to as "America's Founding Fathers".

Even though wealthy, white, corporation-owning, protestant men are acquiring more wealth, their numbers are dwindling, while poor, non-white, working-class people are increasing in numbers. This is what should concern them more than anything -- the evolution of American demographics -- yet those who want to deny women and minorities the same rights the Founding Fathers enjoyed can't seem to understand and accept the fact that their political power arises more from the mandate of the people than from their wealth, and that the day and age of the plantation owner has long since passed.

Get the sheets off your faces; it's a brand new day!



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07 Nov 2012, 9:59 am

Get the sheet off my face?

Dude, did you just call me a f*****g klansman?

Where did you even get the idea that any issue I have with Obama is based on skin color? It's based on the fact that he's not only an incompetent leader, but also a blatant progressive socialist. The only thing I'm guilty of here is properly labeling him. Of course, if you want to get into the whole skin color issue, you can talk about how the Democratic party demonizes white males, like you just did, and how they use race/gender/homophobia baiting to push fiscal policies that fly in the face of common sense. Like spending over $2,000,000,000 on companies that design solar panels even though they function at 1% of the efficiency of tradition fuels. Then they wonder why they go belly up. Then at the same time they use an unelected govt agency to fight a war on those same fossil fuels, keeping us dependent on imports from countries that only export two things, oil and suicide bombers.

Moral of that story: Social policy and Fiscal Policy are about as compatible as francium and water.

Look it up.

Oh, BTW. As a white male, I'm broke and so are a lot of other white males. Being a white male is not guarantee of success, it's just a guarantee of being demonized by everyone who isn't a white male.

Now who's wearing the sheet?



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07 Nov 2012, 10:13 am

I wasn't particularly excited about Obama, but I think he's a better option than Romney.
The main thing I'm taking away from this election is the realization that one of my Facebook friends from high school has gone bat-shyte crazy. 8O As in, this person went on a rant that included Bible quotes and suggestions that the end of the world is nigh. Quite the eye-opener.



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07 Nov 2012, 11:20 am

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I wasn't particularly excited about Obama, but I think he's a better option than Romney.
The main thing I'm taking away from this election is the realization that one of my Facebook friends from high school has gone bat-shyte crazy. 8O As in, this person went on a rant that included Bible quotes and suggestions that the end of the world is nigh. Quite the eye-opener.


Just to clarify, you think that higher taxes, dependence on foreign oil, oppressive environmental regulations, and govt intrusion into every aspect of American life is a good thing?



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07 Nov 2012, 11:32 am

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Get the sheet off my face? Dude, did you just call me a f***ing klansman?

Not at all. I used the plural form: "Faces". This applies to anyone who hates others for the color of their skin.

DiscardedWhisper wrote:
Where did you even get the idea that ... [snip]

Mistaken presumptions.

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As a white male, I'm broke and so are a lot of other white males. Being a white male is not guarantee of success, it's just a guarantee of being demonized by everyone who isn't a white male.

True enough ... as far as it goes. Being a successful white male, however, seems to go hand-in-hand with a complete disregard for the welfare of anyone who is not successful or white or male. Thus, we have wealthy white males who believe that 47% of Americans are irrelevant; who believe that if a woman is pregnant, she wasn't raped; and that minorities are little more than cheap labor and players of professional sports.

If the wealthy, white, corporation-owning males of this country don't start taking care of the rest of us, they're going to lose our support and also start losing elections.

(... oh yeah ... right ... that's already happening ...)

So here's what those wealthy, white, corporate leaders need to do:

1. Close their overseas operations and open new ones here. That way, more Americans will be working and earning their paychecks, instead of merely complaining about their poverty. Heck, those who do may even be grateful to those fine corporate leaders, and vote for prosperity instead of progressiveness.

2. Stop backing politicians whose sole purpose in life is to bicker over who gets the credit and who gets the blame.

3. Start investing in education with direct grants to public K12 schools and with college scholarships that are based more on scholastic achievement than on athletic prowess.

Maybe then we will see them retain their power for a few more decades, despite their dwindling numbers.



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07 Nov 2012, 11:55 am

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Get the sheet off my face? Dude, did you just call me a f***ing klansman?

Not at all. I used the plural form: "Faces". This applies to anyone who hates others for the color of their skin.

DiscardedWhisper wrote:
Where did you even get the idea that ... [snip]

Mistaken presumptions.

DiscardedWhisper wrote:
As a white male, I'm broke and so are a lot of other white males. Being a white male is not guarantee of success, it's just a guarantee of being demonized by everyone who isn't a white male.

True enough ... as far as it goes. Being a successful white male, however, seems to go hand-in-hand with a complete disregard for the welfare of anyone who is not successful or white or male. Thus, we have wealthy white males who believe that 47% of Americans are irrelevant; who believe that if a woman is pregnant, she wasn't raped; and that minorities are little more than cheap labor and players of professional sports.

If the wealthy, white, corporation-owning males of this country don't start taking care of the rest of us, they're going to lose our support and also start losing elections.

(... oh yeah ... right ... that's already happening ...)

So here's what those wealthy, white, corporate leaders need to do:

1. Close their overseas operations and open new ones here. That way, more Americans will be working and earning their paychecks, instead of merely complaining about their poverty. Heck, those who do may even be grateful to those fine corporate leaders, and vote for prosperity instead of progressiveness.

2. Stop backing politicians whose sole purpose in life is to bicker over who gets the credit and who gets the blame.

3. Start investing in education with direct grants to public K12 schools and with college scholarships that are based more on scholastic achievement than on athletic prowess.

Maybe then we will see them retain their power for a few more decades, despite their dwindling numbers.


Every one of those issues can be directly fixed by getting rid of corrupt labor unions and replacing them with independent arbitration panels. This isn't likely to ever happen, though.

Also taking away the wealthy, white corporations also means taking away the prosperity they bring with them. Of course if non-whites can make prosperous corporations then I'm all for that. But Obama isn't offering that, he's offering bread lines and death panels.



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07 Nov 2012, 11:57 am

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Also taking away the wealthy, white corporations also means taking away the prosperity they bring with them. Of course if non-whites can make prosperous corporations then I'm all for that. But Obama isn't offering that, he's offering bread lines and death panels.


Obama is the first Third World President we have had. Thank god for the 22 nd amendment. He will not get another term.

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07 Nov 2012, 12:06 pm

Yeah, he's a lame duck, alright.

So ... the corporate culture now has 3 years to find a new candidate.

They'd better get started, and they'd better find someone worth voting for this time.



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07 Nov 2012, 1:09 pm

The bad news is the meaning of words,

Post Industrial, it does not mean going back to farming, it means jobs that lasted twenty and even fifty years, no longer exist.

Globalization, means the low labor costs and cheap shipping make jobs go to the lowest cost areas.

We complain about China, but for the last few decades the British have been complaining about us.

Technology is the means of doing the same job with less people. The computer killed more jobs than anything.

Lights out factories are the future, and the Chinese will complain about robots.

Retailing and marketing have been done in by mass production, every day low prices.

Universities and Libraries used to produce and store knowledge in books. At the best they were ten years behind, now Goggle is almost real time.

Newspapers, News Week, withstood TV, but lost to computers.

Print ads are gone with printed material.

Medical services are holding up, computer programers, Engineers, but most fields have more people than work.

Everything I have ever done has become obsolete in a few years.

The only things that have kept us going were bubbles.

Now we have to face long term unemployment, declining values, in real estate, just as we accepted every day low prices at Walmart.

In our ever upward concept of progress, we have priced ourselves out of the market.

Also the demographic shift, people live a lot longer, there are less young people, and they get stuck in extended childhoods.

Besides that the War Babies are just hitting retirement, where they become a major cost for the next twenty five years.

It is not politics or government that has produced this problem, nor will they produce an answer.

One cannot blame business, technology, egghead professors, or all the people who think their politics, religion, or sexuality are the defining issues of the time.

It is the result of actions taken long ago, not planned, that seemed like a good idea at the time.

Now each worker will be supporting half a retired person, plus paying for their own. Costs continue to rise, real wages decline, and then there are the bread lines, support for the unemployed, which come before support for your family.

There is not enough to make it.

We thought the pill and abortion reduced the young, now record low births year after year. That means those born will have to support a larger group of retired.

We have been getting by on debt, war, the artifical economy, but that is not supportable.

First it was credit card debt, funding a consumer economy, then education debt which has passed that, put on a generation that has never worked, and will never be able to go in debt to consume. Past debts like housing, now are greater than the value of the house, and prices continue to decline, as the smaller student debt unemployed generation cannot get a mortgage.

Valuing the stock market in Oil, up 700%, Gold, up 500%, since the Bush decline, when the market hit 10,000, and the dollar was worth something, the current market in equal dollars would be between 2,000 and 3,000. That was the stored wealth for pension plans.

Having bread lines and a government to pick up the dead to bury in trenchs would be one of the better outcomes.

It could get real ugly.



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07 Nov 2012, 1:38 pm

Well that was fun.

Gains in the Senate and House too. And "Obamacare" is here to stay.



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07 Nov 2012, 1:44 pm

Inventor wrote:
The bad news is the meaning of words,

Post Industrial, it does not mean going back to farming, it means jobs that lasted twenty and even fifty years, no longer exist.

Globalization, means the low labor costs and cheap shipping make jobs go to the lowest cost areas.

We complain about China, but for the last few decades the British have been complaining about us.

Technology is the means of doing the same job with less people. The computer killed more jobs than anything.

Lights out factories are the future, and the Chinese will complain about robots.

Retailing and marketing have been done in by mass production, every day low prices.

Universities and Libraries used to produce and store knowledge in books. At the best they were ten years behind, now Goggle is almost real time.

Newspapers, News Week, withstood TV, but lost to computers.

Print ads are gone with printed material.

Medical services are holding up, computer programers, Engineers, but most fields have more people than work.

Everything I have ever done has become obsolete in a few years.

The only things that have kept us going were bubbles.

Now we have to face long term unemployment, declining values, in real estate, just as we accepted every day low prices at Walmart.

In our ever upward concept of progress, we have priced ourselves out of the market.

Also the demographic shift, people live a lot longer, there are less young people, and they get stuck in extended childhoods.

Besides that the War Babies are just hitting retirement, where they become a major cost for the next twenty five years.

It is not politics or government that has produced this problem, nor will they produce an answer.

One cannot blame business, technology, egghead professors, or all the people who think their politics, religion, or sexuality are the defining issues of the time.

It is the result of actions taken long ago, not planned, that seemed like a good idea at the time.

Now each worker will be supporting half a retired person, plus paying for their own. Costs continue to rise, real wages decline, and then there are the bread lines, support for the unemployed, which come before support for your family.

There is not enough to make it.

We thought the pill and abortion reduced the young, now record low births year after year. That means those born will have to support a larger group of retired.

We have been getting by on debt, war, the artifical economy, but that is not supportable.

First it was credit card debt, funding a consumer economy, then education debt which has passed that, put on a generation that has never worked, and will never be able to go in debt to consume. Past debts like housing, now are greater than the value of the house, and prices continue to decline, as the smaller student debt unemployed generation cannot get a mortgage.

Valuing the stock market in Oil, up 700%, Gold, up 500%, since the Bush decline, when the market hit 10,000, and the dollar was worth something, the current market in equal dollars would be between 2,000 and 3,000. That was the stored wealth for pension plans.

Having bread lines and a government to pick up the dead to bury in trenchs would be one of the better outcomes.

It could get real ugly.


I agree. The rise of technology and population is going to collide very soon.



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07 Nov 2012, 3:58 pm

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Just to clarify, you think that higher taxes, dependence on foreign oil, oppressive environmental regulations, and govt intrusion into every aspect of American life is a good thing?


Doesn't matter if I do or not, as that wasn't my point. My point was that she's a raving religious doomsday fanatic. I'm not bothered by her political views, regardless of whether they differ from my own.



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07 Nov 2012, 4:12 pm

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Just to clarify, you think that higher taxes, dependence on foreign oil, oppressive environmental regulations, and govt intrusion into every aspect of American life is a good thing?


Doesn't matter if I do or not, as that wasn't my point. My point was that she's a raving religious doomsday fanatic. I'm not bothered by her political views, regardless of whether they differ from my own.


You didn't answer my question.



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07 Nov 2012, 4:20 pm

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You didn't answer my question.


Because the answer is irrelevant.
Did I not already say so?
Feels like I'm repeating myself here...
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