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17 Feb 2014, 6:14 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

A lot of people will speak critically of the Jews and portray the Palestinians as innocent victims but they offer no reasonable ideas and they do nothing to help the situation. Posting on this thread accomplishes nothing. If you really care you will go get directly involved in the peace process and you will promote solutions that will bring peace, not wars.

In order to create a solution it has to be acknowledged that Israel can and has done wrong, rather than the theory that its somehow a one sided 'war' where the Palestinians are the only ones who play a role in the problems that have created this ongoing conflict. Both sides need to get over their 'we were here first' crap first of all......fact is arabs and jews both live in that area that is the reality that both sides need to deal with.

Also I would say many of the Palestinian 'civilians' are innocent victims.

You would think that would be enough to get them to stop bombing, knowing civilians die. Instead they recruit suicide terrorists for more missions. What they have done over the years has impeded their own peace. Look at Ghandi, for example. Do you think they would be further along if they acted more like him?

Civilians die because Israel sends in their military to kill them....yes Israel plays a role in the conflict to surprisingly enough. Also the fact that Israel continues to kill civilians is just more ammo Hamas can use to keep recruiting people using their anger and fear towards Israel to manipulate them into supporting their terrorist cause...I don't think they are going to stop because civilians die. So Israel should find a solution that doesn't involve killing far more Palestinians than the number of Israelies who get killed by the terrorists.

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17 Feb 2014, 6:17 pm

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And do you seriously think that will ever happen? Or could happen?

If Israel ever forcibly ceased to exist, there will be a genocide.

What if hypothetically the Israeli government was overthrown by the Israeli citizens because they decide they are sick of all the bloodshed over 'we were here first'....would there be genocide in that case?

you did say if they 'ever' forcibly ceased to exist and that senerio could happen.

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17 Feb 2014, 6:48 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

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There is no solution. The Jews are occupying Palestinian land. The only solution would be for them to leave.

Okay then you'd better leave too because where you live was once occupied by someone else who was here before you and then Europeans just came and took it but wait...before one tribe another tribe lived on it but were kicked off by invaders so you better go back and trace exactly who the first people were who lived on that land. Unless you are a full blooded American Indian and can prove your ancestors were the very first people to live on that spot you call home, it wasn't you. So as soon as you are willing to leave, I will suggest the Israelis do the same.

You are drifting. We are not talking about North America. North America was settled over a 150 years ago. It's over. Second the US has never occupied any people for more then a short time. Since the beginning of the country it has always been the policy of the US to occupy only long enough to instal democracy, then give the people their freedom and move on. That policy has worked well. That is not the way that Israel works.

FYI. There are 6 million Jews in Israel. They are surrounded by 350 million Arabs. The only reason Israel continues to exist is because of military support from the US. If that support was cut off for any reason, Israel would be finished. Now look at the population chart for Israel below, and try to figure out any possible solution, other then getting the Jews out of there. There is no other solution. Israel is not sustainable. I seriously doubt that even most Israelis believe it is. It's just temporary.

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17 Feb 2014, 8:14 pm

If left alone I am sure the Arabs and Iranians could overwhelm Israel eventually, despite poor performance in the past. Israel could not win a prolonged war with the Arab world by itself. However, they have hundreds of nukes and can do some serious damage before going down!

If allowed to, I am sure the Arabs would get nukes too. So it would turn into a nuclear war. But given that there are many more Arabs than Jews I am sure many more Arabs would die in such a war, despite the fact that they would eventually win. Without the threat of western intervention Israel would be in far greater danger.

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FYI. There are 6 million Jews in Israel. They are surrounded by 350 million Arabs. The only reason Israel continues to exist is because of military support from the US. If that support was cut off for any reason, Israel would be finished. Now look at the population chart for Israel below, and try to figure out any possible solution, other then getting the Jews out of there. There is no other solution. Israel is not sustainable. I seriously doubt that even most Israelis believe it is. It's just temporary.

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17 Feb 2014, 8:21 pm

What is done in the past is done, leave it alone. But now we have different morality, a gentler one, and Israel is still going with the old one of might is right.

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Then you need to punish all of mankind because it has a sordid history of stealing land. Marauders have always existed. Just giving everyone back their land means all of us would be displaced the world over and it would take a lifetime to figure out all the "firsts" so we know who it is, exactly, that belongs here.
Or, we can simply try to figure out how to get along with one another instead.

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18 Feb 2014, 1:18 am

Max000 wrote:

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

Max000 wrote:

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There is no solution. The Jews are occupying Palestinian land. The only solution would be for them to leave.

What is this obsession you have with uprooting a whole country? Why do I sense a certain glee from you at the prospect of Israel's demise?

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18 Feb 2014, 2:41 am

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Thats why the Arabs don't do it. Anyways, they know they don't have to do it. In 50 years from now, the Jews will be a minority in Israel. A minority in their own country surrounded by hundreds of millions of Arabs. Ultimately the Israel government will fail, the same way the white South African apartheid government did.

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18 Feb 2014, 3:22 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

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Like in the US, you don't see Native Americans blowing up random buses to get their way and if they did you can bet the government would go Waco on them.

So the Israelis should do an Holocaust on the Palestinians, until there are only about 1-2% of the origin people left, which are so few, that there is no sense anymore in any negotiating. (Be it peaceful or aggressive.)

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It's just a fact of life. If you cooperate and avoid violence, things get better. If you keep blowing up random buses, things get worse.

Fact are normally things, that cannot be done otherwise. That the force of gravity on earth around sealevel is actually 9,81 kN is a fact. So if its a fact of life, that if you cooperate and avoid violance, things get better, how could that have happen: Trail of Tears So it is Science Fiction that this happen, because it cannot have happened, because it would denie your fact, which simply cannot happen, because otherwise its no fact.

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That's just how life is. The ones with the best weapons always have the advantage. Fighting a guerilla war is a pointless waste of life.

Oh... so the english queen is still landlord of the western american colonies? Cool, and my homeland Austria still owns half europe, thats great. ^^ In your face you serbian wannabe guerrillas. ^^

So what is your suggestion?
No one is offering any good suggestions. You know if there's a big war there it will be much worse than it is now, impacting a far greater number of people. So the answer is to just have a war in the region? Is that it? Let them all bomb each other to death?
let's just have a big war with millions of casualties that will gradually involve several other countries. How's that for the answer?

If you feel like there should be a big war, then why not ask your own country to go down there and fight it? Let your country go "free" them all and see what price is paid for that.

Nowhere have I suggested, that I want a war to come. I simply PROOFED your post to be completely wrong. Whyever you think, that you proofen to be wrong is so horrible to the world, that we must start third worldwar because of you, I dont know.

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18 Feb 2014, 4:10 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:

How does Zionism affect you? It doesn't me. The US sends aide to Israel but it does a host of others too I have no connection with.

Quite a lot of British and EU aid goes to the sainted Palestinians. I would be very happy if all aid was cut off to both sides in the Middle East. Israel can easily survive; the Palestinians would not. The West is perpetuating the situation and worsening it, not making it better.

The Palestinians need to be made aware that the world will no longer tolerate their bronze-age racist hatred and lust for blood.

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18 Feb 2014, 4:21 am

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It will never happen. Can't ever happen because the Israelis know what existential threat their neighbours pose to them. Read what their enemies say they want to do to them.

The Palestinians (and other Arabs / Muslims) are constantly threatening genocide to the Jews every day, all over the Arab world (the Arabs routinely commemorate the Battle of Khaybar, when Muhammad slaughtered Jewish Arabian tribes in the 7th century). There is no way, ever, that the Israelis would or indeed, could, ever give in. Their state is going nowhere. The Jews/Israel have been willing to recognise a second Arab state in Palestine since the 1930s; the Palestinians and Arabs have never recognised Israel.

The history of the al-Aqsa masjid is rather interesting. It didn't become an important Muslim cause until it was under non-Muslim sovereignty.

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18 Feb 2014, 5:08 am

Tequila what is your view on Jewish settlers.

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18 Feb 2014, 5:17 am

Tequila wrote:

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How does Zionism affect you? It doesn't me. The US sends aide to Israel but it does a host of others too I have no connection with.

And the similar jews, dont need to be made aware of that? The problem is not the hardliners on one side, but that both sides have as well similar stupid hardliners. Radical jews are argumenting as well to have the right to wipe out the arabs, because of some s**t, that is written according to them in some 3000 year old fouled part of their Thora. "Gnagna, but according to this possible interpretation of the habbits of an 3000 year old tribe, its ok to murder them all, because God says so." Its the stupid morons on both sides, that are causing the conflict still to exist. So there must be ways found, to kick both of them in the ass, while supporting the moderates of both sides, by doing so.

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18 Feb 2014, 6:33 am

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Tequila what is your view on Jewish settlers.

Good for them.

Jewish people are perfectly entitled to live in Judea and Samaria - just as Muslim Arabs live in Israel.

Oh, and the vast majority of settlers are not maniacs with guns in the same way that the vast majority of Australians aren't violent drunks.

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18 Feb 2014, 6:35 am

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And the similar jews, dont need to be made aware of that? The problem is not the hardliners on one side, but that both sides have as well similar stupid hardliners.

The Kahanists are fringe lunatics and are despised by almost all of Israeli society.

Palestinian incitement, racism and hatred is state-funded, state-propagated and is seen as utterly, utterly normal.

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18 Feb 2014, 10:06 am

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Tequila what is your view on Jewish settlers.

Not good for them when they're building on Palestinian land (illegal even by Israeli law) so that the Israeli government then starts constructing walls so that the arabs are cut off from their own land.

The border settlers are the absolute worst of the Israelis. They are there for no other reason than to stick two fingers up to the Palestinians and perpetuate the conflict. They just go to prove how Israel isn't interested in a two state solution.

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18 Feb 2014, 10:12 am

Precisely what is it that entitles Zionists them to live in Israel or worse the Palestinian held land?

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