Who do you support for the Democratic nomination?

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Who do you support for the Democratic nomination?
Hillary Clinton 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
Bernie Sanders 57%  57%  [ 31 ]
Joe Biden 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jim Webb 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Martin O'Malley 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Lincoln Chafee 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Not voting Democrat 35%  35%  [ 19 ]
Total votes : 54

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31 Aug 2015, 2:57 am

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Seems these wealthy elites also think they ought to have the right to benefit from the american infrastructure and the nations over-all wealth. Yet they shouldn't have to pay taxes or have any civil responsibility? give me a f***ing break.


It's the poor that think they should get free use of the infastructure.

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Oh, those evil, evil poor people, and their easy lives! I think even an Aspie can tell I'm being sarcastic.


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31 Aug 2015, 3:04 am

why do so many working class aspie folks worship the wealthy?



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31 Aug 2015, 3:19 am

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why do so many working class aspie folks worship the wealthy?

its not just aspies.

they are blind to the system the wealthy set up that will forever block them from becoming wealthy. so they think they will one day be the wealthy. why tear down the people you think you'll be one day that would be tearing yourself down.

but it doesn't work that way

if you have 100 total
2 people have 98 of it and the other 98 people split the remaining 2.
now if 1 of those 98 moves up and gets himself 5 of the 100 that means the 2 who had 98 now only have 93.
point is if more people became wealthy the current wealthy people would be less wealthy. if enough peoeple became it then there be no wealthy vs working class.

in order to stay wealthy you must prevent others from becoming wealthy. the wealth others gets has to come from somewhere.

the working class say we poor people steal from them. think of what the wealthy think of you working class people. they'd rather you be poor and they have 100% of the money.



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31 Aug 2015, 3:29 am

it seems the GOP consists mainly of a group of poor people who are dedicated to keeping the wealthy wealthy, and a group of wealthy people dedicated to keeping the poor poor.



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31 Aug 2015, 3:42 am

If someone wants to hire me with proper accommodations...honestly that would mostly look like a little patience since I can be kind of slow and deliberate about doing things, if I rush I get too sloppy so allowances to do good work even if it takes a little bit longer, and 'mental health' days so if my various symptoms are out of control and I am getting too stressed I can take time off to take care of myself without penalty. Otherwise I'll just have a de-composition episode where I really cannot function, lose the job, income it provides, be in a mental health crisis and probably have to go to the hospital because at that point I'd probably be seriously considering suicide. But yeah therein lies the issue the nature of my disability would require accommodations that many jobs would say 'no way in hell...get outta here.'


But hey if someone wants to give me a job complete with a livable wage....I wouldn't be complaining that 'I have to pay taxes' I believe it is a civil responsibility so yeah.


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31 Aug 2015, 3:50 am

auntblabby wrote:
it seems the GOP consists mainly of a group of poor people who are dedicated to keeping the wealthy wealthy, and a group of wealthy people dedicated to keeping the poor poor.


lots of those wealty keeping poor poor people are democrats as well. both parties are evolved in this. the wealthy elite are in both parties and most groups.

if only democrats weren't so distracted with trying to take guns away from people they might be able to combat this.
they might also find that many on the right would be friends if not for the guns issue. i'd vote democrat if they didn't want to take my guns, but at last that's all they want to do. though i get it its a distracting issue. non of it will prevent anything but it keeps the left distracted while the Dem elite keep them poor.

are you more concern with gun control or the collasping economy, starving people, homless people, kids living on the street, wars, etc. yet gun control is the main issue of the democrats why? because it distracts and gets big media attention.



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31 Aug 2015, 3:55 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
If someone wants to hire me with proper accommodations...honestly that would mostly look like a little patience since I can be kind of slow and deliberate about doing things, if I rush I get too sloppy so allowances to do good work even if it takes a little bit longer, and 'mental health' days so if my various symptoms are out of control and I am getting too stressed I can take time off to take care of myself without penalty. Otherwise I'll just have a de-composition episode where I really cannot function, lose the job, income it provides, be in a mental health crisis and probably have to go to the hospital because at that point I'd probably be seriously considering suicide. But yeah therein lies the issue the nature of my disability would require accommodations that many jobs would say 'no way in hell...get outta here.'


But hey if someone wants to give me a job complete with a livable wage....I wouldn't be complaining that 'I have to pay taxes' I believe it is a civil responsibility so yeah.


yep but business only care about making more profits so they can stash it away in a bank somewhere and compare it to ohters and say they made more.

they don't' care about us. I'd make a horrible business leader.

I'd have lower prices and pay people good. because i wouldnt' care about making a lot of money. I'd be in it to help people.

for example if i ever win the lottery i'll open a shaving shop locally. why because I think people should have access to it. I wouldn't jack up prices, because that would be counter to helping people get good products at affordable prices.

i'm often told by middle class people you have to lie and cheat and screw others over to get ahead, its the only way. I just couldn't do that to others. I'll never be rich because of it I guess. but I just can't do it.



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31 Aug 2015, 4:00 am

all I know, is that in the good book it says a person on the path of evolvement should be in this world but not of it. IOW it is a wicked world and to conform to the prevailing wickedness only makes one wicked oneself.



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31 Aug 2015, 4:20 am

sly279 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it seems the GOP consists mainly of a group of poor people who are dedicated to keeping the wealthy wealthy, and a group of wealthy people dedicated to keeping the poor poor.


lots of those wealty keeping poor poor people are democrats as well. both parties are evolved in this. the wealthy elite are in both parties and most groups.

if only democrats weren't so distracted with trying to take guns away from people they might be able to combat this.
they might also find that many on the right would be friends if not for the guns issue. i'd vote democrat if they didn't want to take my guns, but at last that's all they want to do. though i get it its a distracting issue. non of it will prevent anything but it keeps the left distracted while the Dem elite keep them poor.

are you more concern with gun control or the collasping economy, starving people, homless people, kids living on the street, wars, etc. yet gun control is the main issue of the democrats why? because it distracts and gets big media attention.


I think the right to bear arms should be preserved, and typically disagree with the general democratic platform on guns.

Though to be fair if I understand currently you still have your guns safe in your possession...so it would take further laws to get to the point you specifically have your guns taken away. Thus far it kind of appears Bernie Sandars...has not gone on and on about guns and how they're the worst evil in this country...which I like, seems he's more concerned with tuition costs, addressing the extreme wealth inequality, raising the minimum wage to a livable wage and stuff like that. Stuff many democrats claim to be all about solving...yet somehow fail to address whilst going on, and on, and on and on and on about gun violence, perpetuating stereotypes that having a mental illness or condition makes you violent mass murderer just waiting to go on a rampage, disturbingly kind of seeming to imply the mentally ill should be treated as criminals by default when it comes to guns as in having no right to own any ever. I mean I can see if someone is in a mental health crisis they should not have access to guns....I mean der but there are better less oppressive ways to help ensure that which don't involve just taking away one of our right to bear arms same as they do with criminals who have committed violent crimes.

And yes the dems much of the time cater to the wealthy elite as well...these are some of the reasons i hate being accused of being a 'democrat' when it comes to light I am not republican or right wing.


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31 Aug 2015, 4:21 am

auntblabby wrote:
it seems the GOP consists mainly of a group of poor people who are dedicated to keeping the wealthy wealthy, and a group of wealthy people dedicated to keeping the poor poor.


Absolutely. And the wealthy Republicans do this by playing up on fears and prejudices of their poor counterparts by wheeling out bogeymen like gay marriage/rights as a threat to religious freedom, fear and hate of the poor getting a free ride, fear of whites losing ground to African and Latino Americans (though in order to get away with it in this day and age, they have to use "code words"), fear the government taking their guns, etc. Because of this, paranoid, racist birthers could question Obama's American citizenship with little complaint from Republican party bosses, while bigots can shout "White power!" at Trump rallies, because they know these crackpots will loyally vote for them.


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31 Aug 2015, 4:26 am

the lower-class right wingers just don't get how they are being played by their upper-class right bosses. divide and conquer all the way. like what LBJ said about poor southern whites, that as long as politicians told them they were better than the colored of any income level, those poor whites would bend over backwards for those politicians, couldn't do enough for them.



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31 Aug 2015, 4:34 am

I do think it is funny when those who argue for corporate america claim in sending jobs over-seas to third world countries, they are 'helping' the foreign poor out of the goodness of their hearts. If they are helping the poor in these places why are they still poor and why are they still third world countries?

If they were helping those people they'd be moving out of poverty and these countries would start developing much better infrastructure, living conditions, access to resources....sweat shop labor for a few cents a day with the promise of a better life. Well guess what happens when cheaper labor is found elsewhere or all that particular areas resources are used up by the corporation....they just leave. The people are still poor, more bitter because they were lied to and tricked and exploited, and maybe even worse off depending on what sort of mess is left and important resources where drained/used up.


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31 Aug 2015, 6:39 am

Doesn't it dawn on you all that raising taxes doesn't work? Many greedy hands will be grabbing for that cash long before it trickles down to whatever you think it should be spent on.



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31 Aug 2015, 7:08 am

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Doesn't it dawn on you all that raising taxes doesn't work? Many greedy hands will be grabbing for that cash long before it trickles down to whatever you think it should be spent on.



Not sure who you were posting at....but I think more important than any tax raise would be simply making it so the wealthy elite cannot get out of paying their taxes like they do. Then if there really is an issue of not enough tax revenue then I'd say yeah makes a little more sense to tax those with enough for 10 lifetimes a little more than people struggling to stay off the streets for instance.


Doesn't it dawn on you that our current trickle down economics is not working? The part where the wealth trickles down to the bottom from the top isn't happening. Richer get richer, poorer get poorer, middle class gets smaller and smaller due to more of them becoming poor. And actually tax revenue has a lot more strings attached to it than the money the wealthy elite are able to horde.

And when taxes are done correctly there aren't many greedy hands grabbing for that cash long before it trickles down to whatever social programs, public infastracture or safety network its funding. I realize currently some tax revenue does get redirected to the wealthy elite and government officials which needs to stop. But even so more of that money makes it back to the public and infastructure than the mass quanities wealth of the corporate elite own.


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31 Aug 2015, 7:13 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
Doesn't it dawn on you all that raising taxes doesn't work? Many greedy hands will be grabbing for that cash long before it trickles down to whatever you think it should be spent on.

Except, of course, that raising taxes has been shown to work many times...



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31 Aug 2015, 8:46 am

We're all getting played, the elite of the elite freely float between the establishment of the two parties and hedge their bets either way. Do you think it mattered to Wall Street if Mitt Romney was president? Their annoited ones Jeb & Hillary seem like total duds but they're completely interchangable, the GOP establishment has a whole line of losers nobody likes. It just goes to show you how fake our democracy is, which voting group was begging for these unfair trade deals? They can scare the sheep into wanting war, everything is a manipulation by special interests. They control information, they control the narrative, it's all fake.

Maybe I've just been depressed lately but increasing I just think electoral politics is pointless, it's a rigged game. How can democracy work if there is a small elite subset of people more powerful than the government that want to throw their weight around? Imagine like a 100 different behemoths like that, this is an all powerful oligarchy and we can't compete.

We don't have real debates in this country, we don't talk about real issues, how much did we hear about jobs or the economy in the GOP debate? Instead we heard questions about whether or not it is okay to call a woman a 'fat pig' and seriously if they personally talked to god about running for president. The Democrats won't even have debates for fear of exposing Hillary as a total shrew nobody in their right mind would like if for any other reasons besides who her fake marriage is with and having a vagina. Her 'historic candidacy' is historic for nobody but herself, why is she running for president? It's just ambition, a quest for power, she isn't for anybody but herself. Put her on stage with Democratic field even as weak as it is and she'll unravel, she is trying to be unseen and unheard from until election time. She's worse than Trump, she won't take any positions on any contentious issue and gives crazy disingenuous answers like "I'll answer that if its still a problem when I'm president". Classic Clinton, nobody actually wants a return to that insanity? It depends on what the definition of "is" is.

I like Sanders, I think he'd at least he'd bring an honest debate and wouldn't shy away or try to hide from his views, he'll make his case right or wrong and that's something I respect. Bernie is good on a some issues, probably more than your typical Republican but he isn't anywhere close to being civil libertarian enough to make up for essentially being a Marxist but I guess what does that matter at this point. May as well elect a communist if all the other choices are fascists. I liked Kucinich a lot better, Feingold is a good man and was a good representative of my home state, I wonder what Cynthia McKinney is up to? Kind of surprised we haven't heard from her in the last couple years. I think Alan Grayson is an insane person but he's still right more than the corporate shills.