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23 Jul 2016, 12:00 am

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ugh no dude you did ask me to give a positive trait about Hillary like literally 5 posts up lol


How did you misunderstand that. Chronos asked you to name a positive trait about Clinton. You wouldn't. Then you said "you can't admit anything positive about Trump can you?" So I then said I could but I won't until you admit something positive about Clinton. So no I didn't ask you you do that. I can't believe I had to explain that.


Okay that's really arguing semantics, I don't care. I genuinely am at a loss with Hillary tho so I would think one of her most ardent supporters could give me something as I have with Trump. I bash Hillary a lot sure but I also sell Trump, I think you would like Trump as president much more than Hillary as he beats her on the issues and I argue as such. I wouldn't be arguing this about Jeb Bush, I wouldn't have nearly as much to say about Bernie but the DNC rigged the primary for her as proven fact today by Wikileaks.


also Hillary's aides received 22 top secret emails on her private server

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... ecret-info



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23 Jul 2016, 12:00 am

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Hillary voted for the war in Iraq, discounting her own bad decisions while Secretary of State in Libya and Syria as one of the main contributing factors in this instability across the Middle East, you can't claim it was inherited. She is fundamentally wrong on foreign policy and the results speak for themselves. The typical neoconservative Republican might not be able to argue this but I consider Hillary's foreign policy an analogue to theirs, Trump vanquishing them is one of the main reasons I think he's legit.


I think that's a much better argument against her than e-mail servers and Benghazi.

Though I disagree that she didn't inherit the war, because though she voted for it, if she voted against it, the outcome wouldn't have changed.



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23 Jul 2016, 12:28 am

FWIW I think Iraq is invaded either way regardless of who wins in 2000, Gore/Lieberman were the biggest hawks in the Democratic party and Bubba signed into law the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998 which made regime change in Iraq the official policy of the United States so it's just not a collar I think you can put around Bush administration's neck exclusively. I think a lot of Hillary's actions that she was directly responsible for later on in foreign policy were disastrous and major contribution to the growing instability in the Middle East, I don't think inheritance excuses poor decisions and bad judgement so it doesn't really matter to me where you put the start of all this as the entire history of mankind has lead up to this very moment so you could argue that for anything. Now I suppose you could turn this around and say things wouldn't be any different and probably way way worse in a John McCain or Mitt Romney administration, I wouldn't say you're wrong but I fwiw I never supported either of them.



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23 Jul 2016, 12:32 am

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State Department IG report repudiated this

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/ig-rep ... ns-emails/



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08 Nov 2016, 11:17 pm

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This situation, other than the indictment part, is getting to be just what I feared. I made a post back on February 1st about my concern regarding the Hillary emails situation, which led me to support Bernie:

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My fear is that Hillary will have that emails issue actually result in an indictment after she has wrapped up the nomination, leaving us with teh Donald by default.


viewtopic.php?t=305038&start=15#p6981667

She didn't get indicted, but she's come awfully close.


My fears are being realized, but not in quite the way I imagined. This email thing has been a liability for Clinton. This may have prevented us from fending off a Trump presidency.


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08 Nov 2016, 11:39 pm

Trump can personally thank wiki leaks for the win.



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09 Nov 2016, 12:27 am

if the votes don't change direction really soon, it is gonna be 4 years+ of outright tyranny and persecution of the working class/the poor, and gays.



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09 Nov 2016, 10:48 am

I don't talk about my early life much on WP. In fact, I haven't posted here much in the past couple of months.

I grew up in extreme poverty here in SW VA. There were always a couple of days at the end of the months where we didn't have any food at all. We could have done better, but my mom is mentally ill and would self-medicate with marijuana. I understand that weed helps a lot of people but I have always seen it as something that took food out of my mouth and helped her to ignore that we were starving. She didn't allow us to go to school. I taught myself math and read to entertain myself. I got my GED when I was 15. On a lark. No one suggested that I get one because no one was ever interested in my education or self-betterment.

I started working when I was 16. I left home at 17. Went to work in a factory when I was 18. Did very well for several years, until I lost my job in 1999 due to the NAFTA trade act. Our company shut our factory down as soon as they were able to move the plant to Mexico. It wasn't there long. Mexicans ask too much in wages. I think the plant is now in Guatemala. The small town that I am from never recovered from all the plants shutting down. Bill Clinton told us that we would all take a step up in lifestyle when the factories left, but that was not the case. Most of the people I worked with now work at the local Walmart. Bill Clinton raided this country for its wealth and no one has bothered trying to correct that since. We know from the leaked emails that Hillary Clinton supports the same globalist trade agreements that would further impoverish our nation. Why? I don't think she bothers to think about people on the very bottom. Not that she gleefully hurts them- I think she simply doesn't consider that population.

If the path out of poverty that was available to me was still present, so many people would be doing better. Not everyone can or wants to go to college. My husband and I had a middle class income with GEDs when we were 18. We can have that again if Trump comes through with his promises on trade.



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09 Nov 2016, 6:35 pm

he won't.