If there was really a God, bad things wouldn't happen.

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I want to live to see the math on emergence. Math we can use, I mean. I have to quit smoking.

The most powerfull testimony is the one you display in works not words.

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if things do not go the way people want, then they think there is no god.
if they suffer, then that is enough for them to discount the existence of god.

but you know, how important do you think you are in the scheme of things?

like human comfort is the sole activity that god should be attending to?


no.

god sparked the beginning of creation with a miracle, and it has evolved without attenuation since then. i do not even want to say "god" because it is beyond universal comprehension

when you die, i am sure that all the suffering that you felt during life will no longer matter at all because either you will be unconscious or you will leave the body and mind which you suffered in.

i think god exists because it is impossible for anything to spring from nothing except for a miracle, and the complexity of his miracle contained all the energy and rules and inevitabilities within a point that had no physical dimension at it's inception, but it sprang forth and it has needed no intervention. it is perfect, but maybe subjectively conscious creations of that reality with a mind may not like it, but that's just the way the universe unfolds.

suffering can not last forever. that is a certain truth. the sufferer will die and they will no longer suffer unless you believe in hell, but really, that idea is ridiculous.

i do not think there are any rules.

i think it's all up to the nature of the makeup of the person.

there may be a heaven, i do not know, and if there is, then i predict that very evil and cruel people may cease to exist forever after they die, and good people may get a chance to continue.

there is no explanation as to why we are conscious.
none at all.

What do you consider a good or evil person? If almost every religion says you get into the afterlife by doing good things. Why do most of the people not do the good things?

This part particularly reminds me of City of Dreadful Night, one of my very favorite poems. I'll perform it on request. Oddly, the links on the wiki don't go to the correct poem, the poetry foundation had the same author and name with a third different poem, and I couldn't find another link. The ending is the best, so sorry I can't link to that.

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how the hell would i know? good person i guess is only considered good in a subjective analysis by another person who is altruistic.
a bad person is much easier to see.

someone who murders other people because they like doing it and seeing their pain is in my mind unloveable by god because it is an evil inclination.

but i don't really think god takes much notice anyway because he just sparked the beginning of it all and it's all just unfolding with all it's surprises and developments.

i think that if there is a heaven, then someone who is very evil will maybe get there and no one will want to know him and he will experience an eternity of isolation.

but really, i think it's all much less constructed than that. it's just the inevitable conglomerations of atoms etc that perpetuate the reality of the universe, but it does seem exceptional that consciousness could be created due to it.


i don't know man. i really don't. but i can love and i can not hate but i can not love to the point of romeo or mother theresa, but i am sure i will not be cast out of heaven because i never had any evil thoughts.

i am old and you are young, so you could better ask a more youthful tongue...

it would be better if you made sure your links worked in preference to you just wanting to get your message out there.

jr jones....i don't care what it reminded you of....you should think for yourself. i thought for myself. i don't take much notice of other people but i guess i should

Dude, it's just a nice poem. Your reaction seems a bit harsh.

so what is the poem then? i got a "bad link" response from wikipedia when i clicked on your link.

just find the poem and copy it and post it. anyway i am not trying to belittle you. no need to be defensive.

The link worked for me:


O melancholy Brothers, dark, dark, dark!
O battling in black floods without an ark!
O spectral wanderers of unholy Night!
My soul hath bled for you these sunless years,
With bitter blood-drops running down like tears:
Oh dark, dark, dark, withdrawn from joy and light!

My heart is sick with anguish for your bale;
Your woe hath been my anguish; yea, I quail
And perish in your perishing unblest.
And I have searched the highths and depths, the scope
Of all our universe, with desperate hope
To find some solace for your wild unrest.

And now at last authentic word I bring,
Witnessed by every dead and living thing;
Good tidings of great joy for you, for all:
There is no God; no Fiend with names divine
Made us and tortures us; if we must pine,
It is to satiate no Being's gall.

It was the dark delusion of a dream,
That living Person conscious and supreme,
Whom we must curse for cursing us with life;
Whom we must curse because the life he gave
Could not be buried in the quiet grave,
Could not be killed by poison or the knife.

This little life is all we must endure,
The grave's most holy peace is ever sure,
We fall asleep and never wake again;
Nothing is of us but the mouldering flesh,
Whose elements dissolve and merge afresh
In earth, air, water, plants, and other men.

ok. it's very long and also kind of boring and it's just a whatever tale from a whoever who has a mediocre intelligence.
they obviously have a healthy amount of energy to attribute to it and they are also considered wikipedia worthy. i am not as evolved as you all are.
music is an interesting aspect of reality.

here is a song i composed that expresses my ides about my life and it's ending. it's not a masterpiece but who gives a s**t. press stop at the end i implore you.


http://www.soundclick.com/html5/v3/play ... 00175&q=hi

Wow that's harsh. I like the poem. And it is not very long at all.

so sorry i should think of what people think about what i say. i just didn't like it.
so do i lie and make friends or stay as i am and remain alone ?.
i guess i prefer to remain alone if it takes lying to know other people.

or maybe you are just disappointed that i have not the intelligence to become entangled within that missive......
i am off to bed.

There's a difference between lying and being rude. There's nothing wrong with not liking it, but you can just say that rather then being so insulting about the poem itself. Especially when someone has said they like it; being aware of others' feelings and modifying your response accordingly is not lying, it's getting along.