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19 Nov 2020, 10:08 pm

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Killing people is illegal in this country, in which country is it not? Why have you been dancing around this fact for ages?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kyle-rittenhouse-says-he-used-coronavirus-stimulus-check-buy-ar-n1248290


And "self defence" is a defence which can be raised, and should it be accepted makes the killing "lawful" (or a "justified" killing), rather than "unlawful" (or "unjustified") as it would be should the "self defence" claim be unsuccesful.

Given this "self defence" claim hasn't been tested in court, it has yet to be determined if what occurred was "illegal".



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19 Nov 2020, 10:11 pm

I'm going out on a limb & guessing you're just in this for kicks. Making sense of your scapegoat's death(s) as if murder is justified by vandalism. While I'm disgusted, you're perfectly understandable & entitled to your opinions, borderline psychopathic though they may be.


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19 Nov 2020, 10:18 pm

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I'm going out on a limb & guessing you're just in this for kicks. Making sense of your scapegoat's death(s) as if murder is justified by vandalism. While I'm disgusted, you're perfectly understandable & entitled to your opinions, borderline psychopathic though they may be.


No...I'm trying to provide an objective view of the situation, providing facts, and pointing out relevent sections of the law.

If you have "alternative facts", feel free to supply them. If you disagree with the laws (which are fairly common\standard in most jurisdictions), then contact the members of the legislative branch in your state to request the changes you believe are required.



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19 Nov 2020, 10:25 pm

You're saying I should reconsider my capacity for pragmatism because I'm saying we shouldn't give kids assault weapons?

No can do.


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19 Nov 2020, 10:35 pm

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You're saying I should reconsider my capacity for pragmatism because I'm saying we shouldn't give kids assault weapons?

No can do.


His having a weapon (potentially illegally - has not been tested in court) is a seperate issue to his use of it.

Convicted felons are also not permitted firearms in most\all states (as far as I know), and a felon would similarly be charged seperately for possesing one which they use in "self defence".

The fact they had the weapon illegally, however, does not affect the eligibility\validity\use of a "self defence" claim, as the "method"\"tool" used in "self defence" is not the issue, rather whether the use of any "weapon"\"tool" to defend themselves in the given situation was "appropriate"\"justified" (as determined by the court).



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20 Nov 2020, 2:42 am

Well as for considering Rittenhouse a hero, I mean the most he did at best of his actions was save some business, and possibly stopped those possible luters from destroying other businesses in the future. But I don't know if that makes one much of a hero really.



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20 Nov 2020, 7:36 am

Protests of this kind achieve absolutely nothing. All they do is get absolutely who's involved (and also people who aren't involved) worked up and/or in trouble. If I was to somehow end up dead or badly hurt after an incident involving cops, the last thing I'd want is people burning down shops because of it. Any necessary court action would do just fine.



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21 Nov 2020, 4:31 pm

One thing I do not understand is what's with the 'kamikaze' behavior, and why is it considered normal? People were willing to throw their lives away to try to take Rittenhouse's gun. And Jacob Blake refused to obey the police officers orders to put his hands up and went into his car, for something, baiting the officers into shooting him.

So a lot of people complain about the shooters, being the villains, but no one seems to be talking about the kamikaze behavior of the shooting victims, who sort of got themselves shot, by baiting the men armed with gun. Sure the men armed with guns could be in the wrong, but why is the kamikaze baiting considered acceptable, and justifiable?



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21 Nov 2020, 5:05 pm

Surely you mean the KID with the gun? That's only half the illegal part anyway!


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21 Nov 2020, 6:09 pm

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One thing I do not understand is what's with the 'kamikaze' behavior, and why is it considered normal? People were willing to throw their lives away to try to take Rittenhouse's gun. And Jacob Blake refused to obey the police officers orders to put his hands up and went into his car, for something, baiting the officers into shooting him.

So a lot of people complain about the shooters, being the villains, but no one seems to be talking about the kamikaze behavior of the shooting victims, who sort of got themselves shot, by baiting the men armed with gun. Sure the men armed with guns could be in the wrong, but why is the kamikaze baiting considered acceptable, and justifiable?


If someone is brandishing a gun in a threatening manner at a group of people the person who risks their life to disarm them is a hero. How exactly is heroism less than acceptable? If you were part of a group of people and someone appeared like they were about to attack that group with a gun, you would get why someone who risked their well-being to prevent that from occurring would be deserving of your gratitude, right? They do it because they're are afraid but value the safety of others even above their own.


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21 Nov 2020, 6:12 pm

Oh okay, I thought according to the video footage, Rittenhouse was running away from something, not brandishing it towards people, and that the people charging at him were acting on hearsay.



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21 Nov 2020, 6:15 pm

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Oh okay, I thought according to the video footage, Rittenhouse was running away from something, not brandishing it towards people, and that the people charging at him were acting on hearsay.


Is the entire incident, from beginning to end on video, or just portions?

Even if their understanding of the situation is incorrect everything I said still applies, and hearsay doesn't mean incorrect. Being inadmissible in court isn't the same as not being correct/true.


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21 Nov 2020, 6:18 pm

Oh I wasn't talking about court, I just meant hearsay as in believing a person with no facts. Like if someone is running down the street with a gun and another person yells "get him", you don't know why the other person wants you to get him. So they are just acting on assumption that it was a good reason to chase after him, which seems foolish and dangerous to me.



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21 Nov 2020, 6:28 pm

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Oh I wasn't talking about court, I just meant hearsay as in believing a person with no facts. Like if someone is running down the street with a gun and another person yells "get him", you don't know why the other person wants you to get him. So they are just acting on assumption that it was a good reason to chase after him, which seems foolish and dangerous to me.


What's the likelihood someone is doing that for no good reason (an elaborate and dangerous prank?) vs. the likelihood it is an emergency that requires an immediate response?

Especially if it's 'hey, that guy just shot someone' not 'get 'em'.


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21 Nov 2020, 6:32 pm

Well I am not sure, because it seems that a lot of people have to defend businesses from rioting because the news says the police were failing to do so. So in all the confusion when you don't know who is good or who is bad, is it best to risk your life based on not knowing?



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Well I am not sure, because it seems that a lot of people have to defend businesses from rioting because the news says the police were failing to do so. So in all the confusion when you don't know who is good or who is bad, is it best to risk your life based on not knowing?


Putting one's self in harms way is never best, but sometimes it's still necessary and better than the alternative.

Wouldn't your critique be just as applicable to the people who showed up to brandish weapons and clash with rioters? They could have stayed at home but they chose to place themselves in harm's way. They're not bad guys for doing that, but if they insist on threatening peaceful protesters they're now the bad guys no matter what excuse they have for showing up.


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