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16 Oct 2020, 11:52 am

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If it benefits me personally, I could really care less.


This can be problematic.


But I have had leftists say this to me. I hate the whole paradigm of binary view and Marxists class theory taken to an insane level (women vs men, worker vs owner, black vs white etc.) and is stupid to the nth degree. But if they are going to push it, then the maker vs taker idea should predominate, not these BS artificial constructs. (as someone previously said if a person cannot work due to something outside their control, then s**t happens and I am not going to get pissed, but taking up a quarter or so of the budget is not exactly a helping hand). For me all I want to do is be able to work and save more without inflation and other BS getting in my way. Honestly I want to be left alone but if people want to live by the sword, then you must defend yourself with a sword.



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16 Oct 2020, 11:53 am

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I'm more afraid of big government agencies taking away more and more of my Constitutional freedoms. The US government terrifies me. Although I support most of Trump's ideas, and am very much right-wing, there is no political party that is a 100% match for my views. Anyway, there's no point in being "afraid" of the president anyway, in my opinion, because Congress severely limits their power. There is little a president can do on his/her own.


I concur. I strongly dislike Trump, but I also strongly hate how the SJW ideas are infecting the Libertarian Party. Further the Constitution Party nominated someone that was for Red Flag laws. This election is almost can't win for me.



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16 Oct 2020, 11:56 am

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The way I look this is Trumpism is cancer up the upcoming woke/progressive future is the chemo. Necessary but hell.

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Erm, this is a misquote.

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The way I look this is Trumpism is cancer up the upcoming woke/progressive future is the chemo. Necessary but hell.


That's the correct attribution.

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Perhaps.... But I wouldn't judge someone based on rumor or accusations. I'd need more proof. I believe a person is "innocent until proven guilty", not the other way around. Even though sometimes, the guilty are acquitted and the innocent are found guilty.


If someone had one allegation, that would make them seem far more likely of being innocent than someone who has dozens of them, several of which have been substantiated to varying degrees. Someone who didn't pal around with Jeffrey Epstein would seem more likely of being innocent than someone who was friends with Epstein, knew of his activities and joked about how 'he liked 'em young'.

If Trump is the best that the right can do for leadership they might as well concede defeat and avoid the ongoing humiliation of being associated with the sociopathic charlatan. Even Richard Spencer has distanced himself from Trump; I won't be surprised if this becomes something that gets rubbed in the right's faces over and over again in the coming years.

I would personally vote for an axe murderer before living in a country ruled by leftists.


I'm aware that there's a core of extremists who would vote for anyone no matter what they've done or will do, so long as they offer up the correct diatribes against the left, minorities, immigrants, etc. It's a shame that they feel entitled to break American democracy in order to impose their minority views on everyone else. I'm sorry to hear you're one of them and I hope you don't start to support the more extreme methods that some of your ideological peers have started engaging in.

As I have stated, there is no conclusive proof Trump has broken the law. I wish there were a country where true right-wing people could live without interference from the left. I just wish I didn't have to deal with leftists at all or hear their constant complaining. Unfortunately there are no such countries these days, at least ones that are half decent to live in. I prefer non-violent tactics, but when the left tries to take away my rights and my money, some of us are bound to get violent. It just shouldn't be directed at innocent people. "American democracy" is a myth anyway. The constitution seems to only apply when it is convenient. The country is falling apart anyway. Minorities and immigrants are fine with me. As long as they learn the English language, support themselves, and follow the law. Conservatives are not a minority either, so I'm not sure where that came from. Around half of the country is republican/conservative.


The closest thing I found was Paraguay (or maybe) Colombia or the Czech Republic. Only downside to Colombia would be the gun laws, but seems somewhat center right, which I could deal with honestly. Also the weather is agreeable to me. Outside that, yeah is a tough one.



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16 Oct 2020, 12:11 pm

To answer, I am more afraid of the system than Trump. It seems like our society is full of conformist normies who are making this into a world full of grayscale. The fact that people care more about creating social justice instead of create beautiful and new things is what scare me. I am more afraid of a dying society than what one administration can do. BTW we are a Republic, not a democracy.



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16 Oct 2020, 12:26 pm

I used to hate SJWs very much but now I realize the SJWs are people that fight for civil and human rights, not people who want special treatment and want to change things like "do not gender any babies at birth" when in fact almost every newborn will be gendered correctly because it matches their sex or those HAES people who like to pretend obesity doesn't affect your body and health and expect all companies to make over sized clothes to fit 400 a lb person when in fact almost anyone isn't that big and they have unrealistic expeditions of medical professionals.

It's the radical ones I have problems with.


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16 Oct 2020, 1:47 pm

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I used to hate SJWs very much but now I realize the SJWs are people that fight for civil and human rights, not people who want special treatment and want to change things like "do not gender any babies at birth" when in fact almost every newborn will be gendered correctly because it matches their sex or those HAES people who like to pretend obesity doesn't affect your body and health and expect all companies to make over sized clothes to fit 400 a lb person when in fact almost anyone isn't that big and they have unrealistic expeditions of medical professionals.

It's the radical ones I have problems with.


What I have an issue is with saying meritocracy is a racist construct. I just don't want to deal with s**t like this anymore.



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16 Oct 2020, 2:01 pm

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I used to hate SJWs very much but now I realize the SJWs are people that fight for civil and human rights, not people who want special treatment and want to change things like "do not gender any babies at birth" when in fact almost every newborn will be gendered correctly because it matches their sex or those HAES people who like to pretend obesity doesn't affect your body and health and expect all companies to make over sized clothes to fit 400 a lb person when in fact almost anyone isn't that big and they have unrealistic expeditions of medical professionals.

It's the radical ones I have problems with.
What I have an issue is with saying meritocracy is a racist construct. I just don't want to deal with s**t like this anymore.
You mean those "Math is racist" folks?
I sometimes wonder how many of them are actually trolls.


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16 Oct 2020, 2:11 pm

zacb wrote:
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I used to hate SJWs very much but now I realize the SJWs are people that fight for civil and human rights, not people who want special treatment and want to change things like "do not gender any babies at birth" when in fact almost every newborn will be gendered correctly because it matches their sex or those HAES people who like to pretend obesity doesn't affect your body and health and expect all companies to make over sized clothes to fit 400 a lb person when in fact almost anyone isn't that big and they have unrealistic expeditions of medical professionals.

It's the radical ones I have problems with.


What I have an issue is with saying meritocracy is a racist construct. I just don't want to deal with s**t like this anymore.


Meritocracy would be racist/classist if people with 'ability' all come from the same race/high class group because of the inherent design of the system to discriminate against other races/ lower classes from receiving opportunity to develop 'ability'. I'm just providing generic commentary here, not making a statement about a particular society.

So its not a 'racist construct', but it can be used to perpetuate inequality if designed so.



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16 Oct 2020, 2:31 pm

If it is claimed that one particular race has a monopoly on merit....yes, that would certainly be racist.

A pure meritocracy would not have “race” as a criterium at all. A person’s abundance of melanin, or specific facial characteristics does not increase or decrease a person’s “merit” under a pure meritocracy.



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16 Oct 2020, 3:09 pm

I never heard about math being racist so I had to look it up and apparently it's real. Seattle Public schools are saying it:


https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/21/seat ... is-racist/


And another source:

https://farleftfacts.org/white-people/m ... is-racist/

This is interesting, I am going to look more into this to see why they think this.


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16 Oct 2020, 3:11 pm

Math could potentially (and that's stretching it) be racist if one race has problems reading "word problems" because of a lack of reading achievement in general (caused by the racist society)---and that race, as a result scores low in math achievement.



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16 Oct 2020, 3:28 pm

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I used to hate SJWs very much but now I realize the SJWs are people that fight for civil and human rights, not people who want special treatment and want to change things like "do not gender any babies at birth" when in fact almost every newborn will be gendered correctly because it matches their sex or those HAES people who like to pretend obesity doesn't affect your body and health and expect all companies to make over sized clothes to fit 400 a lb person when in fact almost anyone isn't that big and they have unrealistic expeditions of medical professionals.

It's the radical ones I have problems with.
What I have an issue is with saying meritocracy is a racist construct. I just don't want to deal with s**t like this anymore.
You mean those "Math is racist" folks?
I sometimes wonder how many of them are actually trolls.


I get the twitter brigade has trolls, but when actual math organizations start saying that, I am a bit worried about us falling into a Dark Age (regardless of Republicans or Democrats being in)



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16 Oct 2020, 3:33 pm

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While the organizations hope that math can be used as a tool for social justice in the future, they also believe that math has historically perpetuated “segregation and separation,” asserting in their joint statement that “mathematics achievement, often measured by standardized tests, has been used as a gatekeeping tool to sort and rank students by race, class, and gender starting in elementary school.”

Citing the practice of “tracking,” in which pupils are sorted by academic ability into groups for certain classes, NCSM and TODOS argue that “historically, mathematics and the perceived ability to learn mathematics have been used to educate children into different societal roles such as leadership/ruling class and labor/working class leading to segregation and separation.”


I think they're trying to say this?

Math is not racist. Some math teachers/school districts are racist, leading to poor outcome for students that aren't the 'right' race and better outcomes for students that are the 'right' race. Students are then given standardized tests that affect to a degree where they will end up in life, i.e. what their 'ability' will be.



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16 Oct 2020, 3:37 pm

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I used to hate SJWs very much but now I realize the SJWs are people that fight for civil and human rights, not people who want special treatment and want to change things like "do not gender any babies at birth" when in fact almost every newborn will be gendered correctly because it matches their sex or those HAES people who like to pretend obesity doesn't affect your body and health and expect all companies to make over sized clothes to fit 400 a lb person when in fact almost anyone isn't that big and they have unrealistic expeditions of medical professionals.

It's the radical ones I have problems with.


What I have an issue is with saying meritocracy is a racist construct. I just don't want to deal with s**t like this anymore.


Meritocracy would be racist/classist if people with 'ability' all come from the same race/high class group because of the inherent design of the system to discriminate against other races/ lower classes from receiving opportunity to develop 'ability'. I'm just providing generic commentary here, not making a statement about a particular society.

So its not a 'racist construct', but it can be used to perpetuate inequality if designed so.


And I get that such as the Caste system or even Colonialism, but our systems, while imperfect, have seemed to try and correct the wrongs of the past, so in this context I don't see it as such. If a certain group is good at something (like African Americans at sports or Asians and Whites with programming), that does not mean you should keep people out, but the averages might be skewed. However, as long as they are able to do their jobs, I don't see how that bears anything out imo.



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16 Oct 2020, 3:42 pm

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Math could potentially (and that's stretching it) be racist if one race has problems reading "word problems" because of a lack of reading achievement in general (caused by the racist society)---and that race, as a result scores low in math achievement.



I have always had problems with story problems like "twice as much" and "three times as many" so therefore math problems are ableist.

I could also never learn 9th grade algebra like most people know so math is indeed ableist.

But I never looked at it this way and just saw it as this is my disability. This is why I am limited in careers and can never do college.


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While the organizations hope that math can be used as a tool for social justice in the future, they also believe that math has historically perpetuated “segregation and separation,” asserting in their joint statement that “mathematics achievement, often measured by standardized tests, has been used as a gatekeeping tool to sort and rank students by race, class, and gender starting in elementary school.”

Citing the practice of “tracking,” in which pupils are sorted by academic ability into groups for certain classes, NCSM and TODOS argue that “historically, mathematics and the perceived ability to learn mathematics have been used to educate children into different societal roles such as leadership/ruling class and labor/working class leading to segregation and separation.”


I think they're trying to say this?

Math is not racist. Some math teachers/school districts are racist, leading to poor outcome for students that aren't the 'right' race and better outcomes for students that are the 'right' race. Students are then given standardized tests that affect to a degree where they will end up in life, i.e. what their 'ability' will be.


My brother faced racism in 7th grade because his teacher assumed he was Native because his friends were Native. No, he was friends with anyone regardless of race and different backgrounds. She assumed that only people were friends with their own race and refused to be friends with anyone outside their race. Talk about projection.

The school district didn't renew her contract the following year.

My brother was also given a low grade when in fact it should have been a higher grade. The teacher felt if he was given the grade he earned, it would be coddling him and he wouldn't work as hard. So my brother definitely understands white privilege and racism because he experienced it.


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