15 Jan 2021, 5:07 am
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Just curious if violent insurrection at the direction of djt was finally crossing the line for any of you here?
I do find the term "insurrection" a little over-the-top. It's like how breaking into and burning down a police station isn't going to change police procedure, it's a disruption. Though it shows there is a large element of society that see a problem with police procedure.
Same with the Capitol storming. None of those people had any real power to change the election results. It was disruption, yes. But "insurrection" seems misleading, as does "coup." There was no organized overthrow of government by a militarized unit.
(I don't condone any of these forms of vandalism or trespassing.)
I fear a glorified sit-in at the US Capitol will now be used as a false pretext to go after anyone and everyone who doesn't tow the one party line. Ask yourself why so many people showed up in the first place. Just like why so many people rioted in Portland and elsewhere.
To say all these people (in all these different protests) are simply "crazy" is to ignore broader problems about the system itself.
I totally agree
But politicians will always grab an opportunity to make political capitol capital, hence my taking what they say with a grain of salt.
Jiheisho wrote:
Some of it was very organized. Armed protestors, five dead, and bombs deployed and you think they were just kidding? Perhaps you need an introduction: 2021 storming of the United States Capitol
3 *protesters* died through medical conditions, or are you including others later on?
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15 Jan 2021, 5:10 am
goldfish21 wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Just curious if violent insurrection at the direction of djt was finally crossing the line for any of you here?
I do find the term "insurrection" a little over-the-top. It's like how breaking into and burning down a police station isn't going to change police procedure, it's a disruption. Though it shows there is a large element of society that see a problem with police procedure.
Same with the Capitol storming. None of those people had any real power to change the election results. It was disruption, yes. But "insurrection" seems misleading, as does "coup." There was no organized overthrow of government by a militarized unit.
(I don't condone any of these forms of vandalism or trespassing.)
I fear a glorified sit-in at the US Capitol will now be used as a false pretext to go after anyone and everyone who doesn't tow the one party line. Ask yourself why so many people showed up in the first place. Just like why so many people rioted in Portland and elsewhere.
To say all these people (in all these different protests) are simply "crazy" is to ignore broader problems about the system itself.
“in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
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noun
a violent uprising against an authority or government.
"the insurrection was savagely put down"”
That’s what it was. It’s not defined as being by a highly trained militarized unit
You mean like the leftist riots not that long ago?
There seems to be a terminal case of 'Double Standards' in evidence.
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Umm, American democracy is literally what was under attack. These morons were attempting to prevent a democratically elected potus from being officially certified in order to install their orange cult leader as a dictator instead. How is this not crystal clear to you? 
I don't support what happened at the Capitol. HOWEVER, as you yourself pointed out, those people were morons. There's no way in hell their disruption would or could ever literally stop the federal government from proceeding or functioning indefinitely, nor lead to an overthrow of American government entirely. Never in a million years. So, it's silly to pretend it actually could. It accomplished nothing, nor could it ever have. Which is why I don't think the whole government apparatus could collapse over a few hundred morons. Which is why we need to stop pretending this compares to the destruction and collapse of the Twin Towers and the death of 3,000 people.
I totally agree.
Perhaps these so called 'Oversea Experts' are morons also?
15 Jan 2021, 5:27 am
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15 Jan 2021, 6:15 am
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
The main thing to consider is that it had zero chance of changing government, hence, it was a violent protest, rather than an attempted coup, surely.
I agree, Pepe. And that's precisely my point of contention. I don't condone what happened that day, but to state this was a literal coup with any chance of accomplishing an actual and potential overthrow of the entire federal government apparatus is an outright ludicrous claim to make.
Agreed.
Total politically sensationalised rubbish.
15 Jan 2021, 6:17 am
auntblabby wrote:
the dope from the parler people [before they wiped it all] was that they were gonna kidnap some pols including the veep.
And it didn't happen?
That was lucky.
15 Jan 2021, 6:19 am
auntblabby wrote:
what about the zip ties?
How did that work out for them?
15 Jan 2021, 6:23 am
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Insiders are all being investigated. They’ll be expelled, charged with treason etc.
How is it somehow my fault that treasonous republicans could only recruit such minimal numbers of military/police trained insurrectionists and had to rely on morons that didn’t know what they were doing?
They’re all going to jail. Maybe trump included.
How is it somehow my fault that treasonous republicans could only recruit such minimal numbers of military/police trained insurrectionists and had to rely on morons that didn’t know what they were doing?
They’re all going to jail. Maybe trump included.
Perhaps, but what you're peddling is still hearsay and contradictory to the official narrative. And what was the end goal? Temporary disruption of the certification process? Actually harming, taking hostages, and perhaps killing members of Congress? Would all branches of the US military back and defend these intruders and take orders from whatever they might have decreed from the Capitol?
I still fail to see how this could, in any reality, have totally dismantled and usurped the federal government of the USA or changed anything.
How can people see it any other way.
It is bizarre that they don't.
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15 Jan 2021, 6:56 am
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
the dope from the parler people [before they wiped it all] was that they were gonna kidnap some pols including the veep.
And it didn't happen?
That was lucky.
luck indeed that the mob entrusted to do the dirty work was a bit too inept and not quite lucky enough. just by a bit.
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