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22 Feb 2021, 10:26 am

It's just that when everyone else is using the term on social media, all those people are as guilty as she is, and they get away with it without loosing their jobs. So I feel like she shouldn't be punished if no one else is for using it, as it seems hypocritical. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy. So it's hard to take her accusers seriously when so many other people do it without consequence.

And a lot of these people who use the term 'nazi' are the ones on twitter who were calling for Gina to be cancelled even though they use the term commonly, so it just seems hypocritical to me.



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22 Feb 2021, 10:42 am

ironpony wrote:
It's just that when everyone else is using the term on social media, all those people are as guilty as she is, and they get away with it without loosing their jobs.
Do you know this for a fact, or is this another one of your assumptions?  If what you say is true, then consider the following:
• Not every employer is equally concerned about what their employees say on-line.
• Not every employer is opposed to racist, sexist and other statements of bigotry on-line.
• Not every employer has a "squeaky-clean" global image to maintain.
• Not every employee is so valuable that he or she cannot be replaced.
• Not every employee is known by his or her real name on-line.
• Not every employee identifies his or her employer on-line.
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So I feel like she shouldn't be punished if no one else is for using it, as it seems hypocritical. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy. So it's hard to take her accusers seriously when so many other people do it without consequence.
If one employer dismisses its employees for racism, and another employer does not, that is not hypocrisy.  It is unequal treatment.  Hypocrisy occurs when ONE employer dismisses one employee for racism while supporting racist policies itself.  DisneyCo does not employ everyone, so when KlanCo retains its employees for expressing racism on-line, they are not being hypocrites; they are just being racist.



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22 Feb 2021, 10:50 am

Oh okay, but I didn't think it was an assumption because I've been on social media and people who were asking her to be fired were using the same term often. So I felt the employer was just listening to hypocrites by listening to them.



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22 Feb 2021, 10:56 am

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Oh okay, but I didn't think it was an assumption because I've been on social media and people who were asking her to be fired were using the same term often. So I felt the employer was just listening to hypocrites by listening to them.
As I mentioned before, one should never embarrass his or her employer.  Had she been a third-tier technical worker in the back lot at Disneyland, it is unlikely that her employer would have taken any notice; and if such a technician is dismissed for making racist statements, it us unlikely that YOU would take any notice either.

So, when a high-profile actress gets fired for expressing racism, you get all bothered about it; but when a low-level technician gets fired for exactly the same thing, you could not care less.

Now THAT is hypocrisy!



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22 Feb 2021, 11:00 am

Yeah I agree with that. I still thought this was hypocritical in the sense that people who were calling for he to be fired long before this though, so I felt it was not really about this comment that did it. I felt Disney was just saying it was the comment when the real reason is, is that people wanted her to fired before that and Disney was just bending over and listening to them, who weren't even true fans of the show.

Now a lot of the shows fans are criticizing Disney for it.



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22 Feb 2021, 11:03 am

Anyway, while it is unlikely that she will get that job back, she can always find work elsewhere.  In fact, she now works for conservative commentator Ben Shapiro of The Daily Wire fame.



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22 Feb 2021, 11:08 am

Yeah that's true. I think I may be more accepting of what happened if Disney handled it differently, but she says that Disney didn't even tell her she was fired and that she found out through social media, which just seems very suspicious and highly unprofessional of them I found. So I guess it's just hard to take Disney seriously on it therefore, without red flags on the whole thing.



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22 Feb 2021, 11:18 am

ironpony wrote:
Yeah that's true. I think I may be more accepting of what happened if Disney handled it differently, but she says that Disney didn't even tell her she was fired and that she found out through social media, which just seems very suspicious and highly unprofessional of them I found. So I guess it's just hard to take Disney seriously on it therefore, without red flags on the whole thing.
Why do you even care?  She is a wealthy person who is likely worth more than you and I put together, and she has expressed hatred for people not of her race.  How can anyone take the side of someone like that?  There is nothing you can do to improve her situation, and she is extremely unlikely to do anything about improving yours.

I am sure the Mandalorian will get along fine without her.



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22 Feb 2021, 11:28 am

That's true. I didn't think she was racist, she was just using an extreme example to prove her point. Just because she used Jewish people as an example, I didn't think that made her anti-semetic just because she used them as an example. I've used people of other races in examples of persecutions in conversations before, but I am not racist by doing that. I was just using examples. So I guess I just wasn't seeing what the problem was to use an example, even if it's an extreme one.



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22 Feb 2021, 7:13 pm

ironpony wrote:
That's true. I didn't think she was racist, she was just using an extreme example to prove her point. Just because she used Jewish people as an example, I didn't think that made her anti-semetic just because she used them as an example. I've used people of other races in examples of persecutions in conversations before, but I am not racist by doing that. I was just using examples. So I guess I just wasn't seeing what the problem was to use an example, even if it's an extreme one.

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If I identified somewhere on the non-binary spectrum I would find her mocking remarks very offensive.

As a Jewish person, I agree with you. My reaction to those remarks was "Not another Nazi analogy". Her remarks about Kristallnacht were historically accurate. Her comparison was lazy, not anti-Semitic.


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22 Feb 2021, 7:22 pm

What she said isn't really anti-Semitic, but comparing people disagreeing with your political views to the treatment people who were eventually rounded up into concentration camps, starved, and killed is a pretty crappy comparison. It implies you think you will be rounded up like that in the future over your political views, which is asinine for anyone in the U.S. to be implying.

Disney just doesn't want people who make asinine comparisons of victims of an attempted genocide to work for them. I wouldn't want people who make comparisons like that to work for me either, especially if my business was known as a family-friendly company like Disney is branded to be.



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22 Feb 2021, 7:23 pm

This person was making use of hyperbole.....in an offensive way.



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22 Feb 2021, 7:47 pm

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What she said isn't really anti-Semitic, but comparing people disagreeing with your political views to the treatment people who were eventually rounded up into concentration camps, starved, and killed is a pretty crappy comparison. It implies you think you will be rounded up like that in the future over your political views, which is asinine for anyone in the U.S. to be implying.

Disney just doesn't want people who make asinine comparisons of victims of an attempted genocide to work for them. I wouldn't want people who make comparisons like that to work for me either, especially if my business was known as a family-friendly company like Disney is branded to be.


I thought what she was saying about people being persecuted like that in the future might be accurate like she was saying, the way the US seems to be going now. I mean it's because of people's political differences in the US that bombs were brought into the capitol building recently, so I thought if that's going to happen over politcal differences, then maybe it will lead to a war of persecution. So I didn't find her comments to be asinine when you compare it to current events, unless I am just thinking all wrong about it.

But I think if her analogy was extreme, don't people tend to make extreme analogies though, in order to make their points more potently? For example, if someone had a problem and they were to say "The Titanic has just hit the iceberg!", would that be considered offensive, since the Titanic was a big tragedy? Is that offensive to say?



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22 Feb 2021, 9:08 pm

WOW, another example of Cancel Culture, whatever happened to freedom of speech?

Comparing the republican party to the jews looks like a bad analogy or at least how it was worded, but I think she meant that they, the republicans, are the "marginalized group" which I don't agree with it in it's entirely, but I can see why she feels that way and understand her frustration.

And I don't see the accusations to her of being transphobic and racist other than respoding to the mob harassing her in social media by mocking them because she found their posts ridiculous.

For example, the "beep/bop/boop" response, is it transphobic? give me a break, is not.
If you ask me, her political incorrect posts are her reactions towards these people who would be better off doing other things.

One of her twits: "Beep/bop/boop has zero to do with mocking trans people & 100 to do with exposing the bullying mentality of the mob that has taken over the voices of many genuine causes."
She had a point there.

I don't necessarily agree with some of her views, her opinion on wearing masks is idiotic but unless she refused to wear them at work, and that would be, in my opinion, the only good reason to fire her.



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23 Feb 2021, 12:42 am

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WOW, another example of Cancel Culture, whatever happened to freedom of speech?

Comparing the republican party to the jews looks like a bad analogy or at least how it was worded, but I think she meant that they, the republicans, are the "marginalized group" which I don't agree with it in it's entirely, but I can see why she feels that way and understand her frustration.\.


You do know she's pro-Trump and believes the narrative most of the media runs fake news so should be cancelled.

"You can't have your cake and eat it" The Pro-Trump people have been trying to cancel left wing causes/movements/issues so it's rather rich when they talk about defending free speech.

Secondly Gina Garano is not some innocent "babe in the woods", she has been consistently promoting the QAnon philosophy which is the same group who's members are technically a terrorist organisation. My only question is why Disney originally hired her knowing her prior history as a right wing nutjob.



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23 Feb 2021, 12:43 am

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Is Ms. Carano still unemployed?


She's now on the payroll of Ben Shapiro. He's bankrolling some right wing propaganda film with her as the star.