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13 Sep 2021, 12:53 am

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Exact type of claim = that someone had already voted under their name

Claims that an election is illegitimate can occur for a variety of reasons, some that I have more respect for than others, but the concept of people voting as someone else is a Republican talking point.

You forget that I try to be precise.

You're playing semantics here, I don't think it matters much that Democrats and Republicans claim that the other side is cheating with different methods when they both frequently claim that elections won by the other side are illegitimate. There's still a significant amount of overlap, Trumpsters talking about rigged voting machines in 2020 are echoing 2004 Democrats, some of whom are still convinced that W stole Ohio in that election through that mechanism (I know because I know some of them).

I disagree. I think the reasons being touted matter a lot, and are very much a part of the political strategy used by the different parties. Reality is that different voting profiles favor each party and they each try to shape elections by pushing ideas that help create those profiles.

Back in 2000, for example, Florida tightened its voting rules right before the election, pushing some 100,000 people (if I remember correctly) off its roles. If those people had not been pushed off, would we even have had to deal with hanging chads?

Voting integrity is often code for voter suppression, pushing voter segments more likely to vote Democrat off the roles. There are recordings of Republican officials openly talking about this (don't ask for links; I'm doing this from memory because I have work I should be doing). It is no coincidence that more and more voting restriction laws are passing conservative state houses in the immediate wake of Biden's election.

Voting access is the opposite, trying to be sure the same groups stay on the rolls. Republicans tend to be more reliable voters than Democrats, so when more people vote, the odds of Democrats winning goes up. As a result, Democrats emphasize voter registration and getting out the vote.

So, no, I don't think the exact messaging on exactly what might be harming the integrity of an election is semantic at all. Each different claim actually says quite a lot.

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14 Sep 2021, 1:31 pm

The polls close in 8-1/2 hours. Everything is peaceful so far.

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14 Sep 2021, 2:00 pm

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The polls close in 8-1/2 hours. Everything is peaceful so far.

Yes, but Elder, true to the new Republican playbook, started claiming yesterday the election was rigged.

In a state where the number of registered Democrat voters is double the number of registered Republican voters, where everyone knows that if the recall is approved a conservative with support from only 20% of the voters gets the statehouse, he is claiming that the only way Newsom can keep his job is through fraud.

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14 Sep 2021, 2:02 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:

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The polls close in 8-1/2 hours. Everything is peaceful so far.

Yes, but Elder, true to the new Republican playbook, started claiming yesterday the election was rigged.

Heck, Der Trumpster claimed the election was rigged before it even started!

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14 Sep 2021, 2:58 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:

Fnord wrote:

The polls close in 8-1/2 hours. Everything is peaceful so far.

(Sigh) Trump may have established the new normal for Republicans - - when an election victory is in doubt, claim the election is rigged.

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14 Sep 2021, 4:18 pm

i have a bad feeling...

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14 Sep 2021, 4:33 pm

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i have a bad feeling...

Me, too. Trump and his bunch have hit on a way to kill democracy, yet.

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14 Sep 2021, 4:35 pm

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i have a bad feeling...

Me, too. Trump and his bunch have hit on a way to kill democracy, yet.

with the democracy-hating maga armies at hand.

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Kraichgauer wrote:

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i have a bad feeling...

Me, too. Trump and his bunch have hit on a way to kill democracy, yet.

with the democracy-hating maga armies at hand.

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14 Sep 2021, 5:05 pm

It was being reported this morning that voters were arriving at the polls only to learn that they have already voted.

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14 Sep 2021, 5:16 pm

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It was being reported this morning that voters were arriving at the polls only to learn that they have already voted.

As discussed a page or two earlier, I am skeptical of the claim; it started before the polls even opened.

It will be investigated, however. Voters in such situations are given provisional ballots. First it will be reconciled with the lists and, if there really has been a vote already recorded (and not just a system glithc) election officials will go to the original paper to compare signatures to the signatures on file.

I will note that when these stories have been investigated in the past, the volume of voters claiming to have had this happen to them far exceeds the number of provisional ballots actually filed. That indicates to me that they did not actually have any problems at the polls, but only are making the claim to feed headlines and skepticism. The same claims are made every election, yet audits don't include evidence of any massive improper voting.

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14 Sep 2021, 6:32 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

It was being reported this morning that voters were arriving at the polls only to learn that they have already voted.

As discussed a page or two earlier, I am skeptical of the claim; it started before the polls even opened...

Note how none of the victims have yet been identified by name.

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14 Sep 2021, 6:53 pm

Fnord wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

It was being reported this morning that voters were arriving at the polls only to learn that they have already voted.

As discussed a page or two earlier, I am skeptical of the claim; it started before the polls even opened...

Note how none of the victims have yet been identified by name.

It may be an idea to look at threads before making claims such as this (and to look at the media reporting on it)...

There is even a reply to one of you previous posts in this thread made a few days ago, including a link (and quote of a portion of the linked news article), which includes at least one name of a person who experienced this.

To refresh your memory:

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Some San Fernando Valley voters think they are being wrongly prevented from casting a ballot in the upcoming gubernatorial recall election.

At El Camino Real Charter High School in Woodland Hills, some voters say they were told the computers showed them as already having voted, even though they had not.

West Hills resident Estelle Bender, 88, said she was far from the only person who was being told incorrectly that they had already voted.

In addition to friends of hers who experienced the issue and two other women outside the polling place, Bender said that inside, “the man next to me was arguing the same thing.”

Source: https://ktla.com/news/local-news/san-fernando-valley-residents-have-trouble-casting-recall-ballots/

I realise this information may not be to your liking (and was reported several days ago, so isn't "new"), but it does exist, despite your claim to the contrary.

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14 Sep 2021, 7:21 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

It was being reported this morning that voters were arriving at the polls only to learn that they have already voted.

As discussed a page or two earlier, I am skeptical of the claim; it started before the polls even opened.

I need to make a correction to the above. A few counties in CA do allow early voting. I was not aware any did and it hadn’t struck me until today, the official voting that, that the earlier article had to reference in person voting that was obviously before Election Day.

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