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26 Aug 2022, 1:23 pm

I, myself, wouldn't want to see a woman in a bathroom where I'm "doing my business."

And I am SURE women don't like seeing men in their "inner sanctum."

Women's bathrooms used to be (maybe still are) places where they (women) consult each other about something like "how the date is going" when there's a double date.



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26 Aug 2022, 1:25 pm

I'm certainly not "freaking out" about this issue.

I just see the potential for abuse, that's all. Perhaps a slight potential----but a potential, nevertheless.



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26 Aug 2022, 1:27 pm

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I'm certainly not "freaking out" about this issue.

I just see the potential for abuse, that's all. Perhaps a slight potential----but a potential, nevertheless.


No one's accused you of freaking out though.


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26 Aug 2022, 1:32 pm

There's nothing "sneaky," or "sniveling, or "centrist" about my pointing out the potential for abuse.

There is an element of male who likes looking at women go to the bathroom. That's a fact. I'm not one of them. But I've known people who do like this.



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26 Aug 2022, 1:33 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I, myself, wouldn't want to see a woman in a bathroom where I'm "doing my business."

And I am SURE women don't like seeing men in their "inner sanctum."

Women's bathrooms used to be (maybe still are) places where they (women) consult each other about something like "how the date is going" when there's a double date.



I don't want anyone in my bathroom.
I like my privacy.
It doesn't matter if the other people are men or women or trans.
Ideally I don't use public bathrooms at all.

Women consulting each other in bathrooms?
I've heard of that, but can't say I've ever done it.
I never had female friends, and didn't confide in my mother.
If I'm with a group of women at a pub, I try to go in alone.

I don't even check my face in the mirror.
It's a "go in, wash hands, go out" thing imo.

I'm really grossed out by bathroom etiquette:

- Going in groups
- Standing around talking in there (restricting other people's privacy, plus ... ewwwww)
- People who take food in bathrooms (at home or in public)
- Not shutting the door (at home)


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26 Aug 2022, 1:37 pm

On a double-date, a woman used to say to another woman, "let's go powder our nose." That meant they would consult each other on the date in the bathroom.

I've actually experienced this.



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26 Aug 2022, 1:38 pm

That's why two-piece bathrooms are still called Powder Rooms.

I've never been on a double date in my life.
It sounds quite archaic.

I guess these days women would just text each other the down-n-dirty if they needed to chat.


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26 Aug 2022, 1:40 pm

I've been on a few. Never liked them.

Once, I even double-dated with a lesbian couple whose heterosexual friend wanted to meet a guy.



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26 Aug 2022, 1:43 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There's nothing "sneaky," or "sniveling, or "centrist" about my pointing out the potential for abuse.

There is an element of male who likes looking at women go to the bathroom. That's a fact. I'm not one of them. But I've known people who do like this.


I don't think I've made any accusations against you in this thread, has anyone else?

At most I'd say people who are openly hostile against trans individuals would love to have people with your motives to hide behind while making their case.

I recognize to some extent that makes those sorts of people pawns, where they're either being used as cover by people worse than themselves or where they have to ignore their own valid doubts because too many of the people who fight for the same cause are clearly motivated by bigotry.

It must be a deeply alienating position to be placed in politically and the emotions that position would cause probably explain some of the tendencies among centrist voters. That said, centrist voters are individuals like anyone else and won't all behave as the bloc might appear to behave as a group. Every group has outliers and members who don't fit well but qualify nonetheless.


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26 Aug 2022, 1:44 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
On a double-date, a woman used to say to another woman, "let's go powder our nose." That meant they would consult each other on the date in the bathroom.

I've actually experienced this.


I've always assumed 'powdering one's nose' meant coming back with a numb nose and sniffles, maybe some bitter tasting drips.


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26 Aug 2022, 1:49 pm

Supposedly, "powdering one's nose" takes the "shine" out of the nose. I don't know what's wrong with a "shine on a nose." I guess I'll have to research this :)

Eventually, "I'm going to powder my nose" became a euphemism for "I'm going to the bathroom" for a woman.



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26 Aug 2022, 1:56 pm

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This is my grandmother's powder puff.

I also use her sterling silver compact (small mirror with powder).


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26 Aug 2022, 1:57 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
On a double-date, a woman used to say to another woman, "let's go powder our nose." That meant they would consult each other on the date in the bathroom.

I've actually experienced this.


I've always assumed 'powdering one's nose' meant coming back with a numb nose and sniffles, maybe some bitter tasting drips.

Cant tell if you're joking or serious. But no. It predates the Seventies cocaine craze. What Krafty said. Respectable ladies in old movies, and in even in childrens' cartoons, would leave the room with the excuse to 'powder their noses'- either because they really needed to apply cosmetic powder to their noses, or that was an excuse for something like defecating. Using coke would be LESS respectable even than defecating, and not more so. So you can tell from the context that it means something 'respectable'.


But as with Krafty I had no idea (when I heard the expression IRL or on TV) as a kid, nor now, why a shiny nose is bad. Lol!



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26 Aug 2022, 2:02 pm

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Respectable ladies in old movies, and in even in childrens' cartoons, would leave the room with the excuse to 'powder their noses'- either because they really needed to apply cosmetic powder to their noses, or that was an excuse for something like defecating.


I don't think it was so much that they needed to go to the bathroom.

It was a polite way of saying "Let's go fix our makeup."

"Powdering your nose" sounds sweet and gentle and dainty, as if that's all the makeup they need.

In contrast "Let's go draw black rings around our eyes with eyeliner so our eyes look bigger", or "Let's go put more fake rouge on our cheeks so we look like we're blushing when we aren't", admits that their beauty was enhanced by artificial products.


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26 Aug 2022, 2:03 pm

^Yep.....and those phrases are relatively long-winded, too, and not all that feminine :)

Like Isabella said, "powdering one's nose" sounds dainty and feminine.



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26 Aug 2022, 2:16 pm

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I'm willing to be told otherwise that my POV is wrong, I just don't see the transphobia. It feels like to me the world has gone completely mad. Maybe there is something I'm missing. Deleting part of my post and calling it transphobic is not the solution. To me it genuinely IS a mental illness. I can't see any other logical reason apart from those born intersexed. A woman is biologically a woman, her mind tells her otherwise. It is a mental illness. Like a schizophrenic believing everybody is after them, it is not true. A biological woman believing she is a man = mental illness.

Shutting down arguments and calling people transphobic or racist, whatever, is precisely why people are anti-woke. No discussion is allowed.


There's a substantial base of trans posters on here, which should be expected given that transgender individuals seem to be over-represented among autistic individuals.

When posters are allowed to openly invalidate their identities it harms not just those posters but also the rest of the userbase because eventually decent posters get fed up with being insulted and leave. It's happened before, otherwise the case to take it seriously wouldn't be so clear-cut.

Your comment wasn't grounds for a discussion, it was just an insult so it was addressed like an insult.


OK, I'm sorry.

My points still stand though with the issue of women being invalidated. It's like the language is changing to delete them from existence. It is genuinely scary for me. We should still have Men and Womens' toilets, separately, because men who disguise themselves as transgender can easily go into a womans' toilets and assault a woman. Transgender people confuse this as women being against genuine trans people entering a toilet.

It's as if womens' rights and freedoms that were so hard fought for are disappearing because of a minority of people. It seems very sexist.

Name calling me a TERF or whatever is stupid, and so is shutting down discussion. People get angry at me and don't listen. I'm hoping you're not going to do the same, or blame me in any other way. It just wastes everybodys' time.



People don't listen because you're wrong. You keep perpetuating the idiology by TERFs about trans women. And predators are going to find other ways to assault women.

It's never about keeping women safe, this is radical feminists who are Misandrists who think all men are bad and think trans women are just men pretending to be women to get in women spaces. They will use stories about cis men dressing as women to go in women restrooms. This is not a trans gender issue.

And if you deny gender being a thing, there are actual male and female brains but sometimes a person will be born with a male brain in a female body so this is why trans gender people exist. It's not a mental illness. Look up the story about David Reimer. If gender isn't a thing, then why would David not feel right about his gender when he was raised as a girl because of a botched circumcision?

Also notice how TERFS never seem to be concerned about trans men? It's always about trans women. It's because it's misandry and they see trans men as women and trans women as men and they hate men.


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