To gay marriage backers:

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I think everyone should just ignore oscuria posts since he is obviously trolling . But back to topic , I think people should be able to be gay without having to feel like there deprived of the rights that everyone else has . If they cant get married That ( in my views) is a right there being deprived of. In 20 to 30 years time we will look back on this and see it all as silly. Why is it such a big deal? Why wouldn't they be able to get married? If there in love they already have something over most people, seeing as how there are so many divorces.

Anyway The Christians are against it but why? Because some book tells them its bad. Well I'm here to tell you that in the USA there is this thing called the separation of church and state, and the fact that the government hasn't changed this law yet shows me the brake down of our governmental systems at the very core.

But that's getting onto another topic.

I think people should ignore your post because it is obviously unneeded.



It is funny how a people are willing to call another a troll just because they don't like their opinions. Ah, I love democratic people.

Ellen says it very well , by the way she is getting married yay!
heres the link .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02xwPESiMmE

Ok. A women who's only attracted to men isn't considered homosexual. I hope you consider women people.


That's disturbing .
Do you approve of homosexual marriage that is about love?
Would you be more accepting if your child engaged in a "homosexual" relationship that was purely out of love? What if it were celibate?


Do you think it's ridiculous for old people who haven't been married to get married?


People did that?
I didn't meaning to insult you, just pointing out that it's discriminatory to disvalue someone's relationship because they are the same gender. I respect your beliefs and accept the fact that I may disagree with them.


Would you think it wrong to be with a woman if you were one?

Why don't you like homosexuals?


I felt like arguing . The other forums mostly require creativity or knowledge on a particular subject, while these discussions just require rational thought. (Or they should .) And I would hardly consider this a "heated discussion".

the interesting thing is i ask people to divert away from simply being religious in nature and ask for a sociological reason why it shouldn't be allowed and people will start saying that it's their opinion and that's equally important when defining law but they never grant any reason other than homosexuals displaying public affection disturbs them for whatever reason.

and if you say their religion is wrong, you're just intolerant and close-minded.

1) A woman attracted only to men is called a heterosexual. A woman who is only attracted to women is called a homosexual. What are you trying to get at?

Women are people?? Since when?!?


2) How is it disturbing? Arranged marriages are not love marriages, yet is the most common practice in the east; not so common in the west. This doesn't mean they won't find love.

Why would I approve of a love marriage between a homosexual when I'm against homosexual marriages? Besides, the word "approve" doesn't apply to me as I am not in control of that situation. It's not a question that matters or rather one in which my answer matters.

Why would I accept my child being in a homosexual relationship? It would still be my child, but living a lifestyle I look down upon. How many of us disappoint our parents with our choices? If I marry a woman whom my family feel is not meant for me, I disappointed them. A parent tries to find what is best for their child, the child tries to find what is best for themselves.


3) How old is old? What are the reasons to get married? I can't answer for the old, being that many of them must be respected. However, if it were one of my parents I would rather they not remarry.


4) I can't answer the question of "If you were one" because I am not. I can only answer on that which is. I have no desire to be with anyone of the same sex. I will add that it is natural to think of being with the same sex. It happens to everyone due to imagery (in picture, film or mental form). The thought however is repulsive.

Your question is a bad one. I never said I didn't like homosexuals, I said I don't believe in homosexual marriage. I have nothing against homosexuals, except for the flamboyant, stereotypical ones which i feel is a deviation.


5) You haven't been around many threads here. It can get pretty "heated" that the posters themselves become demons (by account of the language they use).

I didn't say it was wrong but I will now it is wrong now.I am not closed minded I went to christen church for 3 years just to see if what it was like so I could make a personal judgment based on something . So don't call me closed minded for making a personal judgment! I was trying to say gay people have a right to get married just like black people have the right to be free, and women have the right to vote. It is there Right, this doesn't have anything to do with religion , THAT'S MY POINT! Marriage isn't a christen thing ,it was invented long before Christianity existed. What I was trying to say is that in the USA they are letting religion get in the way and thats not right.

If they are in love they should be able to get married , plain and simple . That goes for everyone.

Prejudice is getting in the way of this and that is the bottom line. Not because of god or laws or anything else . Blacks had it too women had it , and it goes on to this day! The problem is that we are fighting the battles not the war. Instead of fighting wars against being A raciest or, people oppressing women ,or gay people not getting married , we should be fighting against prejudice. because if we had there wouldn't be all of these problems today! Blacks , men, women , Irish , polish, Mexican, Gays they all are or were suffering from prejudice and if we could learn not to be prejudice this would all go away. Thats my point!

by the same logic one could also say "what do you have to answe for gay people?"

i think sarolie was asking for an opinion. i would be interested to hear it too.

What I have to answer is my vote and speech.

I am aware she/he was asking for an opinion. I already gave an answer concerning my parents. At such an old age, why should they need to remarry? I'd rather have them live with me.

And we can't have people running around committing essentialism, can we?

Last edited by slowmutant on 04 Jun 2008, 3:03 am, edited 1 time in total.

I am a pansexual (like bi but not limited to the gender binary) female and I have been attracted to males, females, and a male to female transperson (pre everything). My attractions to all the people just listed have been similar and none of them are any less valid. I can see myself in a same sex relationship, a heterosexual relationship, or a relationship with someone who does not fit the gender binary. I am currently single and attracted to gay guys and straight girls. Because the people I like tend to be fairly femme I believe that my next relationship will probably be a same sex relationship.

What is the gender binary? "Pansexual" makes it sound like you've got a whole pantheon to to choose from, when in fact there are only two human sexes. How are you different than bisexuals?

overlooked this response

1)I don't recall making that comment but if I did then thanks for pointing it out. I already corrected myself earlier.


2)

a: I have nothing against arranged marriages. I respect them more than "love" marriages. Most people don't know what they love or if they are truly in love. They can't even decide between a burger or pizza. It is ridiculous.

What is love? People in the west tend to throw it around randomly. "I love my dog" "I love my plant" "I love my mom" "I love my children" "I love this dish" "I love this car."

Why would I support adultery? An adulterous person is without dignity.

b: Because it is not marriage. A vegetarian burger isn't actually a burger.

c: Why would I be supportive of such a relationship?


3) Because it was.


4)

a: I already explained myself. You're just wording things differently, but the answer will be the same. I am not a woman. How can I answer such a question? I was born as a man. I cannot picture myself as a woman. I have no desire to.

b: What do I care about homosexuals being together? I'm not preventing them. However, homosexual "marriages" are an aberration. If we used the love argument then we can be in relations with anything.



Edit: I've always said if you're attracted to people of your same sex, that is how it was meant to be. If it cannot be changed, then it cannot be changed.

What's more ridiculous is having other people decide on who you'll be with for the rest of your life for you. Would you respect your parents forcing you into an arranged marriage?
You don't know what people love or if they are truly in love either, and you have no reason to disrespect people who may be absolutely devoted to each other just because you're unsure of the stability of human emotions.

It's different to love everything about someone and be absolutely devoted to them. Obviously if you're comparing people's choice in who they love with people's loving inanimate objects, you wouldn't respect love very much.

So you think any two random people can fall in love?

You got a problem with people eating vegetarian burgers? What if the definition of marriage was changed?

That's what I'm asking you.


Ahh. Finally I've been enlightened, thank you.


You don't need to picture yourself. Just think of yourself as the exact same person, except identifying yourself as a homosexual.
Your being with a woman would be homosexual. Now would you avoid that?


You said you wouldn't want your child to be in a homosexual relationship, and you would try to prevent him/her.


?You better not be using that "if we allow homosexuals to marry then who's to stop us from allowing humans and animals to marry?" argument. People are people! And everyone deserves the same rights as everyone else!
That's like saying "Well if we allow women to vote, who's to stop us from allowing animals to vote?". This little thing called common sense.
Anyway, even if some animals can sign ballots I don't know how well they'll do with agreeing to wedding vows, except maybe parrots. But I haven't heard of anyone wanting to marry a parrot so you probably shouldn't have to worry.

I know people who have been in arranged marriages. They are happy together. They don't divorce each other a year later like "love" marriages do. If my parents decided to arrange a marriage for me, why should I disagree with them? They're not forcing me to marry, they are only arranging a possibility. I have nothing against arranged marriages.

How many "love" marriages actually last? The homosexuals acquired their marriage privileges in Mass. only to have a couple divorce 7 months later. That is a great way to celebrate something they've been fighting for. They surely must have loved each other. I'm glad I didn't interfere with them.

If two random people cannot fall in love then how is it that people profess there being such a thing called love? Can you love someone you have never met? I believe you can.

The definition of marriage should not change.


I have already exhausted the "Let us suppose you were a female homosexual" argument. I am not a homosexual female. I cannot picture myself as any of the animals in this world, any creature that comes to mind. I only know of what I know.


I said I would recommend the person, never prevent. Why would I tell my child to go and have relations with another person of the same sex? I'm not that kind of person. It would be like telling my daughter to go have relations with any man.


It is not like allowing animals to vote. Should we approve of polygamy? Should we approve of unmarried parents as an accepted part of society? Who can argue against a couple of 5 that love each other? After all, their kids would be raised to accept that they can have more than 2 parents, and it is absolutely normal because they love each other.

What a wonderful and free society.