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Well, first off, while the idea of Nationalism being forbidden is great in theory, look acoss the Arab world (Heck, what about Arab Nationalism), and the Muslim world in General. Nationalism exists in most of these countries, and I think you can seek to preserve your own culture and Islam. My belief in religion is that if you (no matter religion) believe in God and do good work, God will look on you in a favourable light. Also, this story here would disagree with you on the fact on religious toleration in China of Muslims.

i have a very primitive idea of islam.
i am not mentally that with it so i may not see deeper fundamentals that i should.

in australia, the only unhappy people are muslims (and to a degree aborigines). they are always attacking us for our decadent way of life.
young muslim men go down to the beach and they try to pick up pretty australian girls.

they are very sexually motivated and begin by calling them "honey" like as in "hey honey! come over here huh? so i can talk to you".

the girls are not impressed by the unsubtle sexual advances of the middle eastern men and they ignore them.

the middle eastern men have an excessively eager, and almost criminal intent in their behaviour.

they always are very insulted that the white girls snub them.
then they cause trouble.
they may abduct and gang rape one of the girls. and then they are caught and jailed.

this makes all the other middle eastern people very angry that our alcohol and bare skin tolerant society can imprison their "fighters for virtue"

i can not understand how a middle eastern man can be forgiven for raping a girl based on the idea that she was to blame because she wore scant clothing.

that is what middle eastern people believe. they believe the girl got her punishment for wearing provocative clothes.

oh dear!! ! i do not like middle eastern ideas and attitudes at all.
we have a very sunny and casual way of life in australia, and they immigrate here and set off their bombs in disapproval.

they really should go elsewhere if they do not like it here.
the fact they wish to attack us in our own streets means that they are essentially bad genes that are prone to get angry and are violent by their essential nature.
yuk!
yuk!
yuk!
i do not want the smells of their casseroles wafting into my nose.

but on the other hand, every individual middle eastern person i met, i liked in a true and justified way.

i know that there are nice muslims, but we always get told about the bad ones in the media.

there are truly bad people in all races.
the KKK is a deplorable organization.

but we seem to be having problems with our way of life because of the muslims who have gelled up hair and egregious attitudes.

b9, the men you described may be ethnically Arab, but that does not imply that they're Muslims.

Muslim women are ordered to cover their bosoms and their body, Muslim men are ordered to lower their gaze by the noble Qur'an. Pre-marital affairs are forbidden. The punishment for pre-marital sex (according to the Qur'an) is 100 lashes. The punishment for rape is execution.

I'm aware of the situation in Austrailia that has been created by these immigrants, and I sympathise with you. However, don't mistake their actions as that what the Qur'an commands, it's everything that Islam is against.

Are the ones that attack you for your decadence exactly the same ones that go to beach to dog women? Probably not.

The younger men or boys have their hormones raging, and they do not understand the Australian culture. They are told one thing at home (be proper) but when the escape to the beach, they act on their hormones. They don't have an authentic connection to 'available' women, so they are cheezy pick-up artists. I don't think their parents or their religion are sending them down to chat up the birds - they are rebelling against culture to do that.

Your post keeps saying "They" "They" "They" - you seem to think that "they" are all the same even though you say later that you know they are not.

I agree that all immigrants to Australia need to follow the laws, show respect for others.

What about the Greek community in Australia? That is a rather large group, and I would suspect that many in the first generation would have more Mediterranean cultural attitudes towards women.

no i do not attribute their actions to the (we spell it "koraan" (eek))

i know that islam is based upon good principles.
there is only good in the scant snippets i ever read from the koraan.

but i heard that is says in the koraan, that if a muslim kills a christian (who they consider infidels, or non believers in allah) then they will get 72 virgins at their service after they die in a martyrdom act (like self detonation).

i wonder why these people who need women to cover up so that they do not tempt men into acts of depravity, kill themselves with the notion they will get 72 pretty virgins in heaven when they arrive.

that seems to be very shallow to me.
but please remember i am not a fully functioning compus mentis.

i may be missing very important cues and sensibilities.

but really? how can you have sex after your body is gone?
what would be the use of 72 temptresses in an environment where you have no physical means of addressing them?

i am not hearkening christian or any other religious doctrines here.

i am not religious in any manner except for my oewn observations.

i think that some people get too angry over things that do not matter that much.

people with hatred in their hearts will get angry over a single molecule of unfamiliarity.

i am just saying, the middle eastern people in our city are very hot headed and they maybe drink too much coffee.
they gesticulate wildly and aggressively as they converse.

i really do not know.
i am a simple thinker really and see as a snail, the antics in the garden.

The 72 virgins thing is not something most Muslims believe, especially for killing innocent people.

For thousands of years, Christianity had a 'pie-in-the-sky' theory - endure whatever suffering this life gives you, and you will feast on a rich banquet in heaven. It was no surprise that the 'Christians' that pushed this were the rich kings and barrons, and the church they controlled. Today some terrorists (like bin Laden) use the same type of con-game to get people to sacrifice themselves to the cause (which is bin Laden's profit and their loss). I think the authentic doctrines of both religions favor compassion for the poor and the innocent in this life.

Yes, people in Greece and Italy also drink coffee and speak loudly, waving their hands about. At least some do. This is common in the south of Europe and Middle East, and as you move north to germany, england and scandinavia, people get quieter are more introverted - at least in general.

for me it is like a complicated NT dance of disapprovals.

i do not understand it much and i live a quiet life with wild animals as my friends, so i retire from this discussion.

In Brussels I saw Muslem Moroccan kids defile out art sculptures (bronze women in the nude) talking about intolerance

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Why do the Islamic extremists say Christians and Jews aren't worshipping Allah, when all three religions worship the same god?

Because they're extremists. The term we use for Christians and Jews is Ahl al Kitab, ie, People of the Book.

Look at your own extremists Tim, (Westbro baptist church, southern baptist convention, etc). Are they any better?

These extremists exist in all religions, however, the vast majority of adherents of any faith are tolerant.

same reason pope hitler youth implied that non-catholics aren't real christians.

The Christian banquet-table in heaven scenario, I should point out, is not an explicit reward for murder and destruction.

They are not the same God. All three have different belief systems.
The roots of thier religions are different.
Jews believe in the god of fire and smoke.
Xtians believe in the three headed god of the fish.
Muslims believe in a god that lives in a rock.

I never said I reject religion. I said I would defend myself against religions that want to kill me, and others, for having different belief systems.
The differences between killing to defend against tyranny, and killing to do as I please, are so great that your comment defies logic. They should defend themselves if they are being killed for their beliefs.
For other locations, not being allowed to impose your belief system on others is not persecution, even if your belief system says it is.

Thanks for bringing it to my notice, I apologise for missing your post earlier.

Yes, nationalism is very common among Muslims. However, the religion absolutely forbids it. Many people dislike me for not singing the national anthem and not respecting the Indian flag. My position though, is entirely neutral - neither respect, nor disrespect.

That is one of the defects of religions, that they forbid things without giving a rational explanation.
If your position were entirely neutral regarding respect for the national anthem and the Indian flag, then you would not offend others by keeping mum when others sing.
Why does giving respect to the symbols of the people you grew up with go against the worship of God?
If you recognize that God is omni-present and all-knowing, then surely it would be possible for you to realize that giving respect to your parents, your ancestors and your Indian heritage is the worldly counterpart of worshipping Allah?
By offending your fellow citizens you are actually indirectly offending Allah. Because a dogma is more important to you than living according to the spirit of Islam you are doing the wrong thing by hurting others.