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Al-Queda?

The Jews.

Not to be confused with anyone of the Jewish faith alive today.



I'm not sure Al-Queda even existed 2000 years ago...

In the case of Christ, as the Son of God, and as God incarnate, dying did not amount to failure. No spiritual text is to be taken verbatim or literally, what is important is the underlying spiritual context which is roughly the same across all faiths.

Christ died because people around Him could not accept this underlying spirituality, felt that it threatened everything that they had come to know, and had to do something about it. Messengers/Prophets of God will always face persecution. Not necessarily because they are phonies but because they offer and live such a revolutionary life by the context of their teachings.

Christ had no choice but to die. From the moment he took up His post, it was ingrained upon His being.


Look at the events surrounding Tahirih: the Persian Babi martyr, poet, and women's emancipationist. At the Babi council of Badasht, everyone was arguing about whether or not the Babi Faith was an independent religion or just another sect of Islam. Tahirih knew the answer, and also the power of symbolism. She entered the men's meeting room and removed her veil. This caused some Babis to leave the Faith forever and one man to attempt suicide by cutting his own throat.

Tahirih was imprisoned by her father and her husband, then later by the government. When she left to travel and teach the Faith, she had to leave her children behind, never to see them again. She was martyred in her early 30s. Strangled by her own silk scarf and buried in a well. The last words she spoke were "You can kill me as soon as you like, but you cannot stop the emancipation of women."

That was in 1852.


Martyrdom cannot be compared to dying for one's country. To die a martyr is to die in service to the Highest Cause. As opposed to dying for the material hungers of mere men.

Why the eyeroll, Haliphron?

Well-spoken!

Im expressing cyncism for the age-old notion that the JEWS were responsible for Jesus's crucifiction...

If the Jews weren't responsible for the death of Christ, why do they still reject Him?

Because he claimed to be divine. The jews reject the Entire concept of the Trinity because the Tanakh implies the unity of God.

Those who are unable to see how the world changes will never be able to see the One who changes the world.

Any human being who claims to be God is clearly insane.

ruveyn

Any human being who claims to be God lacks the humility to be credible.

haha, you know was joking right?

I don't think he had a choice. Mary was probably raped. She was ashamed to tell people. You know how people were those days. They must have been going "its a miracle!! !"

How you can die for something you even do not have a clue of? When even the vast majority of mankind of his time never heard about him? I am in very strong doubt that his name was even mentioned in the reports to the imperial chancellery about the activities of the Roman Administration on Palestine of this time.

The issue was much more trivial: The Roman administration saw in him a trouble maker and because he was no Roman Citizen (or had an other status which may protects him) they choose the most common solution: Crucifixion.

It is quite unlikely that Jesus did so: If he would did so, he would be in big trouble even before he reached Jerusalem. It is more likely that he was one to many preachers of his time. It was also not that unusual that the Roman authorities crucified some of thise, which they saw as potential trouble makers.

During the reign of Tiberius (and the other Caesars of Claudian-Julian family) even the live of a Roman Senator was not a big deal, the live of a Non-Roman even much less. Before interpreting the New Testament, anyone shall read Tacitus and Suetonius to get a "taste" of the time this story supposedly happened.