Mandatory abortions in case of rape

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stimuli is irrelevant. An adult in a sensory deprivation chamber still doesn't flatline, unless he's dead.

Last edited by LKL on 20 Mar 2011, 9:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.

or braindead

excellent point though

My understanding is that abortion was originally restricted to viability. Since viability now has been shown at earlier date than 24 weeks that restriction might be moved up, but it would probably be a state issue that might go to the Supreme Court.

The issue on tyranny was your fear that if an health insurance mandate was ruled as constitutional in our country it would pave the way for tyranny. My point was that tyranny was not possible in a country as divided as ours, both publically and politically. Personally I couldn't think of an actual example of tyranny that might pass in our country; I was wondering if you could come up with an example of tyranny that might pass in our country if the mandate is proven constitutional.

I don't think an adjustment to abortion law would be tyranny; it would more than likely be based on scientific evidence, and go through the normal political and justice system process for adjustment. Our local abortion clinic only provides abortions to 14 weeks, so there are already some limits provided by clinics that are more limiting than the law now, as it stands at 24 weeks.

I'm guessing you would like to see a limit of approximately six weeks, from your previous point about the 40 day mark. I'm not sure that is feasible because many women are not aware they are pregnant at that point. Perhaps at some point it might get moved up to 20 weeks because of advances in technology and new numbers for the viability issue. I understand that it is the limit in some other countries.

It is interesting to me that Denmark has one of the earliest restrictions at 14 weeks. Not to rub it in, but there is little poverty over there because of the homogenous nature of the culture and a larger welfare program. The abortion rate is higher in impoverished areas and undeveloped countries; just another reason to seriously consider the issues of access to effective means of birthcontrol, prenatal care, and subsistence for impoverished mothers and children in our country.

I understand your strong opposition to the current Healthcare reform act, but we do stand to see a possible abortion reduction in the future, if it stands as is.

If we really want to support the needs of mothers and children to ensure that raising children is feasible, we have to at least be partially a "Nanny State" government. It will never work the way it does in Denmark, but I think we should do what can work in our country, if we want to see healthier mothers and children and the potential for fewer abortions.

A person whom is brain dead isn't generating new brain cells at an incredible rate, for all we know it is like road construction in a baby's head. That could be why the readings aren't constant, the equivalent of closing a road for maintainence.

OMFG INUYASHA WANTS TO BRING A BABY INTO A HAZARDOUS CONSTRUCTION SITE!! !!

QFT

i agree with everything you said.
of course not regarding issues inherent to the usa as i have a limited understanding of american politics.(not saying i disagree, just that i dont know enough to form a valid opinion)

our health care system is one of the few things you will never hear a dane complain about(unnless they complain about efficiancy as we need to streamline our resoures)
coupled with early and objective sex ed and the public opinion that sex is as natural as breathing really does wonders for unwanted pregnancy rates.

Sperm are too.

hmnn.

Vexcalibur's guide to abortion discussions
Anti-Choice: It is a human baby!
Anti-life: Why?
Anti-Choice: Because of $trait.
Anti-life: But... $thing_not_commonly_considered_human also has $trait and we don't call it human.
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This topic should be forbidden. We can't even have a meta-talk about it without it going back into the centrifuge

I caught an Oprah show my wife was watching about Denmark. I found it amazing. It might have been sugar coated but the psyche of the population there must be so different than what we have here. It is no wonder that your people rate for the highest level of happiness among countries.

Perhaps you might lend a sanity check on this, but the show indicated that people there can leave their child unattended in a stroller on the sidewalk with no fear that harm may come to the child.

If this is even partially true it is evidence that there is level of understanding that we are all in this game together.

I don't think anything like that could happen here; the heterogenous nature of our culture puts people in too many opposing games. There is a huge, sometimes irrational fear, among the people, of an even playing ground for all.

But, I think largely because of technology, the world is headed in the general direction of an even playing ground for all. I think there may be a hard fought battle, but it may be likely that those that have so much may have a lot less in the not so distant future.

well it was probably pretty sugar coated, we still have problems, some quite severe compared to our population, we are only 6 milion people here after all.

but in 95 percent of cases you could leave your child unattended, not that anyone would do so.

to be honest one of the things we in denmark need is the acceptance of difference(then again you find this everywhere)
and a way to gain that is to interact with other cultures, our immigration laws for example are very inconsiderate and have gotten several citations from the EU and especially other scandinavian countries.
technology does hold a great promise of the future if we as people can learn tolerance of true diversity.

Thanks for that comment. The uniformity among people was almost shocking to me when I saw the show. I sometimes wonder if humans are hardwired to only accept a certain level of diversity. Even if that is the case there is always hope we can change it through conscious effort.

There is the requirement of an egg for the sperm to fertilize in order for the sperm to be involved in procreation.

We aren't talking about a new human life until the moment of conception, because that is when we have a combining of genes that are from both the mother and the father joining together to create an entirely new individual.

Though I will say it is a step up from earlier comparisons attempting to claim a human child is nothing more than the equivalent of a 9 Volt Battery.



Seriously stop acting like a troll.



And I'm going to make the distinction that a heart is not a brain, the wiring for a heart is not set up to function like a brain. A child in the womb has a brain that is becoming more and more functional and complex at a rapid rate. A 48 day old child in the womb's brain would easily have more processing ability than what is found in an adult human's heart.

I'm giving you a taste of your own medicine, only without intent to piss off and magnified by three

I'm not trolling, I'm just pointing out people's comparing human children to animals, 9 Volt batteries, oak trees, and bacteria is a fallicious comparison at best.

You are just running around screaming that I'm out to kill Puppies, chop down trees or some other ridiculous nonsense.

I know, its because you have been building straw men and evading basically 85% of everything people have said to you in this waste of time thread
So I have decided that I am going to build some straw men, blatantly obvious (and hopefully amusing to you) ones and hopefully take some of the hate out of here
If I wanted to troll you I would be efforting to grief you and not amuse you, I don't much care for trolls