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16 Apr 2011, 8:33 pm

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Yes, it's probably extremely offensive. And the people who burn the Quran are twats. What else do you want me to say? People who Bible-bash are twats too. So are Muslims who want Sharia law here. As are people who burn Union Jacks here in Britain (Irish republicans, Islamists).


So am I twat then? am a Mormon, a less active Mormon. If you consider Mormons as "bible-bash(s)".
Therefore in you eyes that makes me a twat!! !



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16 Apr 2011, 8:35 pm

I consider people who foist their religious views on others to be twats, yes. Do you do that? You can have all the religion you want, just as long as you keep it away from me.



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16 Apr 2011, 8:42 pm

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I consider people who foist their religious views on others to be twats, yes. Do you do that? You can have all the religion you want, just as long as you keep it away from me.


If I walk the talk then yes I share the church's teaching by my behaviour. If people ask me about the church I talk to them about. I give people the choice if they choice no thank you then that ok, & I move on from it.

Right now I my life am not walking the talk so its pointless me teaching people about the church to get them join.



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16 Apr 2011, 11:00 pm

Making a law against hiding ones face is unjust. What if it is cold outside? What if someone is disfigured? No one should feel entitled to see someone else's face.



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17 Apr 2011, 2:29 am

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Making a law against hiding ones face is unjust. What if it is cold outside? What if someone is disfigured? No one should feel entitled to see someone else's face.


I agree. Which is why my plan more or less works, I think. Not for the disfigured, though, but I'm not sure a lot can be done about that. In Britain they have to show their faces at the bank but niqab-wearers don't. There's something a bit wrong about that.



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17 Apr 2011, 2:44 am

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BlueMage wrote:
Making a law against hiding ones face is unjust. What if it is cold outside? What if someone is disfigured? No one should feel entitled to see someone else's face.


I agree. Which is why my plan more or less works, I think. Not for the disfigured, though, but I'm not sure a lot can be done about that. In Britain they have to show their faces at the bank but niqab-wearers don't. There's something a bit wrong about that.


Total utter hypocrisy!! So the "twats" (your words not mine) lost out on there freedom of expression & there freedom of religious practice without persecution. Oh by the way calling a member of religious group a "twat" can be seen as extremely offensive.



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17 Apr 2011, 2:55 am

I don't get your point?

I'm saying it should be one law for all. Either other people are allowed to wear veils in banks or no-one is.



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17 Apr 2011, 3:02 am

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I don't get your point?

I'm saying it should be one law for all. Either other people are allowed to wear veils in banks or no-one is.

My point is your double standards, saying that the law should be fair for all & at the same time using language to unfairly degrade a group of people due to there faith & or association to a faith system.



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17 Apr 2011, 3:12 am

But I am using my freedom of speech. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be equal in law. I'm saying that I dislike being preached to/proselytised to by religious people and wish to be left alone.

So, it's those who bellow their religious tracts I dislike. It's much the same for loudmouth lefties whose politics I despise. They have the right to proselytise in public and have their own TV channels, but don't be surprised if people reject you, sometimes rudely.



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17 Apr 2011, 3:32 am

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But I am using my freedom of speech. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be equal in law. I'm saying that I dislike being preached to/proselytised to by religious people and wish to be left alone.

So, it's those who bellow their religious tracts I dislike. It's much the same for loudmouth lefties whose politics I despise. They have the right to proselytise in public and have their own TV channels, but don't be surprised if people reject you, sometimes rudely.


I had my fair share of experiences of that I just take on the chin & move on from it.

Yes you have you freedom of speech, & you have been using it to talk people around that its a good idea to change the law on this tho with the poor use of one four lettered word to describe groups of people you what to back the idea. Now it can been seen that all that work had now got to pot cos' them groups would see that word as an attack on then which would backfire on the idea. Do you understand?



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17 Apr 2011, 3:38 am

Er, yes. But I don't want the law to be changed. I want other laws to be changed, but I don't want to see the niqab banned in public places. I want the law/current societal atmosphere that makes it taboo to criticise Islam and Muslims changed.

We can take the piss out of Christianity all we like (and I think that Christians have actually taken quite a lot more than their fair share over the past ten years, with some of it amounting to little more than anti-Christian hostility) but if you want to take the piss out of Islam you end up being threatened with all sorts by Islamist nutjobs. The BBC will pisstake Christianity 'til the cows come home but Islam? You don't hear a peep out of them then. Odd, that.

I want it to be more societally acceptable to be able to criticise, satirise and, yes, occasionally ridicule Islam, their beliefs and their teachings in much the same way as every other religion.

And the same goes for atheism too.



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17 Apr 2011, 3:53 am

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Er, yes. But I don't want the law to be changed. I want other laws to be changed, but I don't want to see the niqab banned in public places. I want the law/current societal atmosphere that makes it taboo to criticise Islam and Muslims changed.

We can take the piss out of Christianity all we like (and I think that Christians have actually taken quite a lot more than their fair share over the past ten years, with some of it amounting to little more than anti-Christian hostility) but if you want to take the piss out of Islam you end up being threatened with all sorts by Islamist nutjobs. The BBC will pisstake Christianity 'til the cows come home but Islam? You don't hear a peep out of them then. Odd, that.

I want it to be more societally acceptable to be able to criticise, satirise and, yes, occasionally ridicule Islam, their beliefs and their teachings in much the same way as every other religion.

And the same goes for atheism too.


Have you ever hear of this saying before: "to change the world you must first change yourself" there's a lot of truth in it, I know by life experience :wink:



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17 Apr 2011, 8:45 am

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I don't get your point?

I'm saying it should be one law for all. Either other people are allowed to wear veils in banks or no-one is.


Correct. No masks or disguises in any place of public gathering. For anyone or anybody. Everyone in public must be identifiable.

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17 Apr 2011, 9:58 am

I love the feeling to live in a country that is basically freer than France, because lately we have not been feeling that free.

There are tons of boys that clean shoes in the streets here. Many of them are actually students in some colleges so they use masks to hide their identities while working. On the other hand, our robbers don't really use masks, they just tell you that they would kill you if you tell the police (it works).


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17 Apr 2011, 5:04 pm

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There won't be sharia law implemented in a european country in our lifetime. I don't see how people can be so scared of such a small minority of the population.


Maybe some people are concerned with their posterity and not just their own lifetime.
Besides, a small cohesive minority can have a great influence over a mass of atomised individualists.
Anyway, I would add that even if the whole of Europe converts to Islam tomorrow, it would be easy enough for everyone to convert back again. But if native Europeans are reduced to racial minority status in European countries and surrounded by non-whites with a historical grudge against them, then that will be more difficult to turn around (just ask the Whites of Zimbabwe). So the burka question is an interesting one, but something of a red herring at the same time.

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Tear down the divisive policy of multiculturalism and bring in a new era of integration and multiracialism instead. Simple. :)


The peoples of the world are not all the same. Europeans are not the same as Africans, and they are both not the same as Asians. Europeans are being gradually replaced in their ancestral homelands by Africans, Asians and the resulting mixed breeds, and our treasonous elites (be they left-wing "multiculturalists" or right-wing "integrationists") are allowing it and encouraging it. More "integration" will only speed up that process. There is no such similar process taking place in Africa or Asia. Why should any native European want it?



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17 Apr 2011, 5:29 pm

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jamieboy wrote:
There won't be sharia law implemented in a european country in our lifetime. I don't see how people can be so scared of such a small minority of the population.


Maybe some people are concerned with their posterity and not just their own lifetime.
Besides, a small cohesive minority can have a great influence over a mass of atomised individualists.
Anyway, I would add that even if the whole of Europe converts to Islam tomorrow, it would be easy enough for everyone to convert back again. But if native Europeans are reduced to racial minority status in European countries and surrounded by non-whites with a historical grudge against them, then that will be more difficult to turn around (just ask the Whites of Zimbabwe). So the burka question is an interesting one, but something of a red herring at the same time.

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Tear down the divisive policy of multiculturalism and bring in a new era of integration and multiracialism instead. Simple. :)


The peoples of the world are not all the same. Europeans are not the same as Africans, and they are both not the same as Asians. Europeans are being gradually replaced in their ancestral homelands by Africans, Asians and the resulting mixed breeds, and our treasonous elites (be they left-wing "multiculturalists" or right-wing "integrationists") are allowing it and encouraging it. More "integration" will only speed up that process. There is no such similar process taking place in Africa or Asia. Why should any native European want it?


There is no evidence that white people are being replaced en masse by other races and no evidence that the plan of elites is to move towards it. It's basically a racial conspiracy theory.

Islam makes up 3% of the population. That's islam not political islamists. They make up a similarily small percentage of that 3 %. The threat to the UK from political Islam is next to negligible. Ditto the rest of europe. You sound like you've just been reading alot of rubbish frankly.