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08 Nov 2011, 1:12 am

A question for the Cain supporters - how many women have to come forward before you might concede that maybe your candidate is really handsey after a few drinks?

Because I bet there are way more than four.

How many is a pattern of behavior?

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08 Nov 2011, 1:25 am

The allegations aren't coming from Rick Perry. In the late 1990s, WHEN THIS STUFF HAPPENED, Herman Cain was probably just a guy Rick Perry wouldn't let on his ranch.

This woman was able to come forward because she didn't receive a settlement from the NRA as she was not working there at the time. The FACT that settlements exist with 2-3 other women who are under a gag order is pretty damn telling.

What Herman Cain is being accused of by Sharon Bialek is not just sexual harassment, it's sexual assault.

"YOU WANT A JOB RIGHT?" should be Herman's new campaign slogan

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08 Nov 2011, 1:36 am

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Okay, my mistake - I got her confused with the other ladies who had settled out of court.
But just because she hadn't reported the incident doesn't mean that it isn't true. The majority of sexual harassment cases go unreported. As do sexual assaults, unfortunately.

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08 Nov 2011, 1:53 am

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The woman seems very credible honestly. She's a professional and lifelong Republican that is still involved in GOP politics and the Tea Party. It's pretty clear she's not doing this for political reasons. She has to people who made official statements under the penalty of perjury to back up her claims. If she was making it up, she has been making it up for 13 years. It's merely a coincidence he settled with 3 other women around the same time over sexual harassment allegations, harharhar. It's not like Herman has been caught in numerous lies over these allegations already...

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08 Nov 2011, 8:43 am

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"YOU WANT A JOB RIGHT?" should be Herman's new campaign slogan

Nothing like a good laugh to start the day.

I also love how he was adamant about not talking about it anymore, how he was putting the whole thing to rest.

He's having a news conference later today.

The man can do or say no wrong. He double talks his way through everything. You could ask him if it's raining and he'd say yes. 2 seconds later you could ask him if it's sunny and he's say yes. Even if you (general audience, not Jacoby) think the allegations (made many years ago) are false, how has he proven himself to be trustworthy at all? I can't think of a single issue he's been consistent on. On what grounds does anyone have to say, "I believe Cain?"

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08 Nov 2011, 9:18 am

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Interesting that Bialek had to read what happened to her from a page on camera, even though she didn't seem emotional and even smiled brightly as she was closing her reading. I mean, if this horrific thing really happened to her, and scarred her so much that the world's attention is now necessary for her to tell it, you'd think she'd remember the very basics of what it was she wanted to say. I think there's some serious money backing this Allred-Bialek duo to say these things. If Barack Obama runs against an authentic conservative, he'll lose. And if that conservative is Herman Cain, how are liberals going to play their race card? That's why I think there's this massive effort to shut him down, by any means necessary.
Incidently, selecting Allred as your attorney is equivalent to selecting Jesse Jackson as your minister.

Allred probably selected her as a client.

And there's no way Bialek is paying.

I don't dispute either of those. As far as who's paying, indeed, I believe they are both being fronted by a liberal group -- or perhaps just Soros himself. As far as who chose who, it's obviously mutual. The point is, if you want a serious biblical sermon, you turn down Jackson as your guest speaker. Same thing if you want to be taken seriously in a legal matter. We know Allred is a media whore, and Bialek isn't looking any different to me so far.

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08 Nov 2011, 9:22 am

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A question for the Cain supporters - how many women have to come forward before you might concede that maybe your candidate is really handsey after a few drinks?

Well, we're up to 1 so far, not counting unidentifiable anonymous women who haven't come forward out of the shadows.
For my part, I'm just waiting for some real evidence. He-said she-said is not going to sway me much.

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08 Nov 2011, 9:26 am

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The majority of sexual harassment cases go unreported. As do sexual assaults, unfortunately.

Is that counting the ones that are reported, but turn out to be false?

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08 Nov 2011, 9:37 am

The other thing that doesn't seem right about this latest accuser is that, if this guy really is the kind of Bill Clinton-level sexual assaulter that Bialek makes him out to be, then there have to be others -- as there were with Clinton and men like him. The previous insinuations (they're not even accusations) against Cain (the "non-sexual gestures" and merely "awkward" moments and such) are not even in the same universe in degree; the latest accusation is so aggregious that, if it is true, then there have to be many more women whom Cain assaulted/raped if he did those things to Bialek. A guy who goes that far doesn't just do it once.

Also, why was Bialek completely silent during Cain's successful radio career, as well as during his 2004 Senate campaign? For 14 years, she says nothing publicly about this -- but now, suddenly, her moment has arrived?

So, are you guys still sticking with "guilty until proven innocent"?

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08 Nov 2011, 9:43 am

I could buy 1 false accusation MAYBE even 2 but not 4+. Herman Cain is a serial-groper and a liar, a bad liar at that.

This scandal is reminding of the Tiger Woods scandal by the way people keep coming of the woodwork except his fooling around was consensual. I don't know if Herman was just going through a phase in the late 90s but I'd venture to say their are probably more women he has done this too. Him propositioning a job by making a women blow him is serious serious thing.

I think he should drop out of the race, what he did is more serious than Anthony Weiner's unsolicited dong pics. I wonder how many of the conservatives whining about how this is distracting us from the issues and that it's irrelevant were gung-ho going after Anthony Weiner? I'm not a big sex scandal enthusiast or anything but when it moves beyond a consensual nature or some illegal way, it's a big deal.

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08 Nov 2011, 9:46 am

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They're legally bound from telling their side of the story. We do not know what Herman Cain did or said to them. If Herman doesn't have anything to hide, why doesn't he drop gag order?

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08 Nov 2011, 9:52 am

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http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/iteam&id=8422203

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In 1999, Bialek's son Nicholas was born and a paternity lawsuit was filed by the father, a media executive.

Hmmm....a child out of wedlock. Now we know that she is a harlot who cannot be trusted. Plus, the child was born in a year with three nines. She may well have been an inspiration to Hermy. Turn the nines over, and we may have identified the anti-Christ.

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"She's of the same political persuasion as Herman Cain,"

Doubly damning. Now we can be doubly sure that she is a harlot who cannot be trusted.

1. If this lady were really of the same political persuasion, she wouldn't have picked a Democrat Campaign Operative as her lawyer.

2. She never filed any complaint or made allegations until now.

3. She has a history of financial problems.

There is some other stuff out there that I may bring up a bit later.

Well, this definitely proves that this woman is a whore.

Plus, she produced an illegitimate son for a white man, but wouldn't dish out for Mr. Cain, who was quite generously trying to give her a job.

She is not only a whore, but a racist whore to boot.

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08 Nov 2011, 10:12 am

Ragtime wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

The majority of sexual harassment cases go unreported. As do sexual assaults, unfortunately.

Is that counting the ones that are reported, but turn out to be false?

The FBI put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. "unfounded" means unprovable not false
some scholars have estimated 95% of rapes go unreported.

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08 Nov 2011, 10:12 am

Ragtime wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

A question for the Cain supporters - how many women have to come forward before you might concede that maybe your candidate is really handsey after a few drinks?

What would you call real evidence?

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08 Nov 2011, 10:14 am

All that said, if Cain does turn out to be a pathological liar, like Obama and Clinton, then, needless to say, there's no way I'd consider voting for him. I'm not a Democrat, so when a candidate is a proven liar, that means he loses my vote. Whereas, when a Democrat candidate lies repeatedly about horrible things in his past (Wright, Ayers...), the liberals fall in love with him all the more; his dishonesty qualifies him more for the job in their eyes, not less.

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08 Nov 2011, 10:18 am

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We know this is true cuz Bush got a second term (how myopic are the republicans?)

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