Do you think people on welfare need to give a drug test?

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And what language would you like the reading comprehension to be in? The United States does not have a national language.
Theft to use our tax dollars- drug testing welfare people costs more money than it could save
As was stated earlier if we stopped paying welfare to people for reasons such as that the economy would be worse off.
Just because you say your arguement is intelligent and logical does not make it so.

OK well since I cannot go to college or get a job because of my PTSD what the hell do you expect me to do huh? I am so sick of ignorant people acting like someones inferior garbage just because they don't have f****ing money to live on. I mean what happens when your disability interferes with going to college?....and no nothing like that was available to me when I did go to college. I'm not going to just lay down on a street and die somewhere just so I don't waste your bloody resources. And for someone dissing on those on welfare you haven't made any very intelligent arguments. People on welfare should have their right to vote taken away? what the hell kind of garbage is that?[/quote]

There is online college you know. But anyways I have severe depression, bipolar, and asperegers and honestly possibly PTSD as well from being beat as a kid, sh** is hard and disabilities affect me going to college as well but I have to force myself through it being I don't want to be viewed as a waste on society, I want to be able to contribute and not steal and I want to be successful in the future. I understand that people have issues that make things more difficult for them but it's not an excuse to just not do it at all. And also you are 22 years old, these things are available now so there is no excuse not to try now. And I've made nothing but intelligent and logical argument, people who don't contribute don't have a right to make decisions that affect the general public.[/quote]

And what in the hell makes you think I can afford online college? I'm already in debt with loans. And I did Try...I tried as hard as i could to just freaking force myself through and push myself past my limits just so I wouldn't dissapoint everyone. But it just so happens the depression, anxiety, bad memories, PTSD were a little bit too much. So I had to drop out because I cannot function well enough to do the classes. I tried to push my way through it and all that did was make my problems worse....so no college is not an option for me right now.

And I am sorry but your bigotry is not going to stop me from voting.

You know nothing about me or my life, so don't assume what I have and have not done in life.

Last edited by Sweetleaf on 25 May 2012, 2:12 pm, edited 3 times in total.

You have a legal right to vote. Exercise that right.

ruveyn

Yeah I know, I just don't like it being suggested that due to my economic status I should not have the right to vote, that is BS. I am still well aware I have every right to vote.

(I don't know Sweetleaf so I am not saying this is part of her issue with school work)
Lot's of times people with autism have trouble with motivation, such as homework. That can make it a bit harder to do well in school. Me personally- I just stopped going to my classes in college part way through a semester. A teacher was asking why I hadn't turned something in and doing it in front of the whole class. I had not turned it in because I didn't know the format. I had asked him the format earlier and he said I should know it. He had told us multiple times verbally but I didn't know I should write it down and I don't hear directions very well. Since 8th grade I have had issues with doing homework or remembering I have it. Now i am pretty much terrified of it.

I would say it is more the depression and PTSD that interferes with motivation.......I can't go to college because being around a school college or otherwise sets off my PTSD so I am very on edge and anxious and then of course makes it very hard to concentrate. As for the AS...I am sure that has some ways of interfering but whatever I didn't come here to explain why college doesn't work. Its just stupid to suggest that if one has to rely on some sort of welfare they should have their right to vote taken away? I mean that is just beyond asinine.

You are making the mistake of confusing political rhetoric for sound policy.

Theft has a clear definition: the conversion of property to one's own use without colour of right. That has been the definition of theft for centuries, and despite the marvellous mutability of the english language, you cannot borrow a legal term and pretend to apply it incorrectly without attracting correction.

There is no theft in welfare. To be perfectly pendantic there is no theft in welfare fraud, either, because fraud and theft are entirely different offences.

As for your completely unfounded statement about the state of intelligence of people on welfare, that is simply beneath contempt. You have no factual basis on which to make your assertion, and your convenient use of the parenthetical, "not all but most," does nothing to excuse your shoddy scholarship.

It's just kind of something obvious, have you ever talked to the average person on welfare?
Well English of course, while there is no official language the majority of people here speak english and if you refuse to take the time to learn it then it shows you are lazy. We shouldn't have to cater to everybody else just because they don't want to take the time to try and make themselves successful. And well I personally think we should get rid of welfare entirely, and I don't what was stated earlier because the best solution is just to deport people who don't contribute and feel the need to mooch off our tax dollars.

There is online college you know. But anyways I have severe depression, bipolar, and asperegers and honestly possibly PTSD as well from being beat as a kid, sh** is hard and disabilities affect me going to college as well but I have to force myself through it being I don't want to be viewed as a waste on society, I want to be able to contribute and not steal and I want to be successful in the future. I understand that people have issues that make things more difficult for them but it's not an excuse to just not do it at all. And also you are 22 years old, these things are available now so there is no excuse not to try now. And I've made nothing but intelligent and logical argument, people who don't contribute don't have a right to make decisions that affect the general public.[/quote]

And what in the hell makes you think I can afford online college? I'm already in debt with loans. And I did Try...I tried as hard as i could to just freaking force myself through and push myself past my limits just so I wouldn't dissapoint everyone. But it just so happens the depression, anxiety, bad memories, PTSD were a little bit too much. So I had to drop out because I cannot function well enough to do the classes. I tried to push my way through it and all that did was make my problems worse....so no college is not an option for me right now.

And I am sorry but your bigotry is not going to stop me from voting.

You know nothing about me or my life, so don't assume what I have and have not done in life.[/quote]

Like I said, there are government funded programs (which there shouldn't be) which allow people who are poor or with disabilities to get free schooling. And you're right, I don't necessarily know how your life has been but I do know that you aren't trying now because you've straight up said this. Sometimes you just have to force yourself through things no matter how hard it may seem at the time because the reward is worth it.

So you go from people on welfare should have their right to vote revoked? and now you're saying deport them? lol where are you going to deport U.S citizens on welfare to?

It's your opinion there should not be, its not a fact that there shouldn't be...and most evidence points to having a social safety network being a good thing. And I am not trying what exactly? to figure crap out so I can live my life? cause last I checked I am...college didn't work, I cannot function well enough for a job so for now I have to look for other options.

I'd like to be able to earn my own money, but I don't see how to do that if I can't function on a job. Having a social safety network is good for when that sort of thing happens so that people who can't work can have something to live on. I have pushed myself, and too hard so now I have to pay for that........so don't tell me about not trying hard enough. And what reward anyways?

Not my issue, there are plenty of uninhabited islands they can go be homeless and not mooching off civilized society on.

I'm not going to continue this argument because it's just excuses and it will just result in this thread turning into a massive flame war.

quoted for posterity as this is some of the most uninformed drivel i have heard for long, even here on wp.

I wonder why... you are saying that people who are in america should show they can read english (when The US does not have a national language) to be able to vote. People who would be on welfare should be put on a deserted island to starve.

Not really my issue either technically since that is not the policy and probably will not be any time soon. But even so I do not think I would agree with such a thing.