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13 Jun 2012, 3:19 pm

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^^^ The British did that to the Irish for 800 years.


None of which has any relevance to what we're discussing. Northern Ireland's people were mainly happy in the UK, although a significant minority weren't. They instituted a 30-year-long campaign of terror on their fellow Irishmen in order to force them into bending to their will. (And Loyalist Irishmen retaliated by butchering innocent Catholics in order to get them to stop.)

So reaching deep, deep in the historical past looking for an excuse to murder people who had nothing to do with the events that happened back then is alright by you is it?

By that yardstick, a Native American terrorist group could murder you due to some disgusting atrocity one of your long-dead ancestors committed.

It's just an excuse for bigotry and hate.


Seeing how I am Native American descant they will not target me. The British gave the Irish a reason I mean who wouldn't get mad for lives of innocent irish protesters. Being gundown for simply protesting in a peacful manner?
Didn't the IRA kill some civilian's? Would you have been born if it were not for colonists invading Native American land in the beginning?


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13 Jun 2012, 3:20 pm

Delphiki wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Joker wrote:
^^^ The British did that to the Irish for 800 years.


So reaching deep, deep in the historical past looking for an excuse to murder people who had nothing to do with the events that happened back then is alright by you is it?

By that yardstick, a Native American terrorist group could murder you due to some disgusting atrocity one of your long-dead ancestors committed.

It's just an excuse for bigotry and hate.
So should all people with German ancestry be punished for something hitler caused?


They already are.



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13 Jun 2012, 3:21 pm

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Seeing how I am Native American descant they will not target me.


Are you sure you have no planter blood in you? Even if they weren't, these terrorists probably wouldn't care what you were too much anyway. They're not going to look for a family tree before they off you.

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Being gundown for simply protesting in a peacful manner?


What the British forces did that day was wrong. However, hundreds of people a year were being killed at that time by republican and loyalist terrorists. An RUC police officer was killed in Londonderry very shortly before the march. Soldiers were under fire that day. So, whilst I think it's disgraceful what the soldiers did - and the fact that no-one will be prosecuted is even more so - it has to be looked at what happened since then. The British Army spent 30 years trying to stop certain Irishmen from butchering each other - no easy task. Without the Army (and the police) Northern Ireland could well have gone into full civil war.

And as for "the British gave the Irish a reason" - what the British might or might not have done 400 years ago shouldn't be used as an excuse to murder people who had nothing to do with any of those things.


It shouldn't your right but like I said you reap what you sow.



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13 Jun 2012, 3:21 pm

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They already are.


No, they're not. A few football hooligans sing silly songs about it at football matches but the vast majority of people look on those types with scorn.

The Germans are a nice enough and friendly people, just like any country. Their government, however, is another matter.



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13 Jun 2012, 3:21 pm

Joker wrote:
Delphiki wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Joker wrote:
^^^ The British did that to the Irish for 800 years.


So reaching deep, deep in the historical past looking for an excuse to murder people who had nothing to do with the events that happened back then is alright by you is it?

By that yardstick, a Native American terrorist group could murder you due to some disgusting atrocity one of your long-dead ancestors committed.

It's just an excuse for bigotry and hate.
So should all people with German ancestry be punished for something hitler caused?


They already are.
How am I punished? How are you punished? How are people with Germanic ancestry punished in the 21st century?


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13 Jun 2012, 3:22 pm

Delphiki wrote:
Joker wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Joker wrote:
^^^ The British did that to the Irish for 800 years.


None of which has any relevance to what we're discussing. Northern Ireland's people were mainly happy in the UK, although a significant minority weren't. They instituted a 30-year-long campaign of terror on their fellow Irishmen in order to force them into bending to their will. (And Loyalist Irishmen retaliated by butchering innocent Catholics in order to get them to stop.)

So reaching deep, deep in the historical past looking for an excuse to murder people who had nothing to do with the events that happened back then is alright by you is it?

By that yardstick, a Native American terrorist group could murder you due to some disgusting atrocity one of your long-dead ancestors committed.

It's just an excuse for bigotry and hate.


Seeing how I am Native American descant they will not target me. The British gave the Irish a reason I mean who wouldn't get mad for lives of innocent irish protesters. Being gundown for simply protesting in a peacful manner?
Didn't the IRA kill some civilian's? Would you have been born if it were not for colonists invading Native American land in the beginning?


Family tree started in Germany and Ireland not America.



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13 Jun 2012, 3:23 pm

Delphiki wrote:
Joker wrote:
Delphiki wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Joker wrote:
^^^ The British did that to the Irish for 800 years.


So reaching deep, deep in the historical past looking for an excuse to murder people who had nothing to do with the events that happened back then is alright by you is it?

By that yardstick, a Native American terrorist group could murder you due to some disgusting atrocity one of your long-dead ancestors committed.

It's just an excuse for bigotry and hate.
So should all people with German ancestry be punished for something hitler caused?


They already are.
How am I punished? How are you punished? How are people with Germanic ancestry punished in the 21st century?


It's called the blame game.



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13 Jun 2012, 3:23 pm

Joker wrote:
Delphiki wrote:
Joker wrote:
Tequila wrote:
Joker wrote:
^^^ The British did that to the Irish for 800 years.


None of which has any relevance to what we're discussing. Northern Ireland's people were mainly happy in the UK, although a significant minority weren't. They instituted a 30-year-long campaign of terror on their fellow Irishmen in order to force them into bending to their will. (And Loyalist Irishmen retaliated by butchering innocent Catholics in order to get them to stop.)

So reaching deep, deep in the historical past looking for an excuse to murder people who had nothing to do with the events that happened back then is alright by you is it?

By that yardstick, a Native American terrorist group could murder you due to some disgusting atrocity one of your long-dead ancestors committed.

It's just an excuse for bigotry and hate.


Seeing how I am Native American descant they will not target me. The British gave the Irish a reason I mean who wouldn't get mad for lives of innocent irish protesters. Being gundown for simply protesting in a peacful manner?
Didn't the IRA kill some civilian's? Would you have been born if it were not for colonists invading Native American land in the beginning?


Family tree started in Germany and Ireland not America.
What do you mean?


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13 Jun 2012, 3:24 pm

Tequila wrote:
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They already are.


No, they're not. A few football hooligans sing silly songs about it at football matches but the vast majority of people look on those types with scorn.

The Germans are a nice enough and friendly people, just like any country. Their government, however, is another matter.


The German government isn't that bad.



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13 Jun 2012, 3:24 pm

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Family tree started in Germany and Ireland not America.


Given that you've gone on record publicly supporting the republican murder campaign in Ireland and further afield and have openly said you supported the German neo-Nazi NPD, I think you have very little to shout about.



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13 Jun 2012, 3:25 pm

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It's called the blame game.


No-one blames Germans today for what people 70 years ago did. And if they do, they're considered hateful, horrible bigots who are thoroughly laughed at and ridiculed.



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13 Jun 2012, 3:48 pm

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~100 times that many people died as a result of the Bosnian war which lasted only 4 years. 8O
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Or what happened in Rwanda. Or the Sudan. Or what's happening in the Congo now.

Northern Ireland's conflict is small potatoes, relatively speaking, compared to the savagery that is happening in the Congo. The only difference is that it happened in a fairly well-developed part of a Western country.



Keep in mind that what happened in Rwanda back in 1994 was Not a religious war. It was a power struggle between 2 rival ethnic groups. Much of sub-saharan Africa has been suffering from political violence and frequent tribal wars since the 1960s and this isn't just because of post-colonial instability, it also has to do with the battle to control natural resources and climatic disturbances in food production. There are a lot of differences between Rwanda, Sudan, and Bosnia/NI besides the location.

Bosnia was the worst violent conflict seen in Europe since World War II.



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13 Jun 2012, 3:51 pm

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Keep in mind that what happened in Rwanda back in 1994 was Not a religious war.


The Northern Irish conflict wasn't either.



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13 Jun 2012, 6:20 pm

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Seeing how I am Native American descant they will not target me. The British gave the Irish a reason I mean who wouldn't get mad for lives of innocent irish protesters. Being gundown for simply protesting in a peacful manner?


I'm willing to bet that if we dig deep enough in your family tree we'll find some English, Scottish, Cornish or Welsh in there. And that should give plenty of reason for your IRA heroes to hoist you on your own petard.

After all, let the sins of the father be visited on the son even unto the seventh generation.


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13 Jun 2012, 6:34 pm

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I'm willing to bet that if we dig deep enough in your family tree we'll find some English, Scottish, Cornish or Welsh in there. And that should give plenty of reason for your IRA heroes to hoist you on your own petard.


Precisely. Or Irish Protestant, even. Can't forget those planter scum now can we?



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13 Jun 2012, 6:40 pm

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I'm willing to bet that if we dig deep enough in your family tree we'll find some English, Scottish, Cornish or Welsh in there. And that should give plenty of reason for your IRA heroes to hoist you on your own petard.


Precisely. Or Irish Protestant, even. Can't forget those planter scum now can we?


I have a book about my family history not one trace of English Scottish Cornish or Welsh in my family tree.