The Westboro Baptist Church and other Bible Thumpers

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Darn!

I tried.

Oh, I know something!

Some Quaker find black clothes rather hot depending upon their local climate.

You mean like when I asked you to explain your 'coward' accusation repeatedly and you repeatedly declined to do so?

I think I made a mistake earlier by being too passive about your silly accusation. AngelRho has repeatedly expressed views that he knows to be unpopular and that make some people dislike him. Whatever other labels you might attach to that, 'coward' isn't one of them.


I have no idea what you are talking about here. What is the hypocritical thing you are talking about?


If there were three posts asking you to explain the same thing, and I'd said specifically that your 'explanation' made no sense, why didn't you take that as a hint that maybe there was something wrong with your explanation?


You actually have a point here. I went into the discussion having certain expectations about what the topic would be, and your posts seemed to be off-topic to me at the time. Looking back at it, they were not. My bad.


If I were to use your tactics, I would say that I've already dealt with this argument, and refuse to clarify or restate anything. Instead, I'll give you an alternate explanation, in case you didn't understand my earlier one.

I'm assuming that by 'the same beliefs', you're referring to specific beliefs on homosexuality.

First, what makes someone Christian (or not) is not their beliefs about sexuality. Any kind of sexuality, not just homosexuality. That simply is not, and never has been, the central point.

Second, I really don't think there's that much agreement between actual Christians who disapprove of homosexuality and the WBC, even on homosexuality. There is a big difference between thinking that something is wrong and showing up at a funeral to be as hurtful as possible while carrying signs with the f-word (not the 4-letter one). There is a big difference between saying that homosexuality is sinful, but God loves gays anyway, and saying that God hates gay people and can't wait until they die and go to hell.

"God is love" is a central idea in Christianity. The WBCers have made it clear that they think that God is actually hate.


You really can't stop putting words in his mouth, can you?

Love is a "central idea" in your opinion. Christianity does not have a great track record for kindness and there is great malice even in its holy book. The WBC are just another modern avatar of what the fundamentals of the religion really are when you don't use your own modern moral judgement to change it to be more tasteful and "love-oriented".



I see you are conveniently circumventing the quotes iBlockhead provided

It isn't just my idea. "God is love" is a direct quote from the Bible. "Love your enemies" is another, and "These three things remain, faith, hope, and love, but the greatest of these is love." There's the bit where Jesus sums up all of the commandments with two: 'love God' and 'love your neighbor'. Also, "Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers a multitude of sins.", and "This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another.", and "If anyone says, 'I love God,' yet hates his brother, he is a liar."

A couple of longer ones: "Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light," and "Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.", and "Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.", and "If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing."


This is silly, and you're trying to put words in the mouths of every religious person everywhere.


None of the quotes iBlockhead provided have AngelRho saying that. Saying that he 'really thinks that' is what putting words in someone's mouth is. That isn't the only place in his post (or the rest of the thread) where iBlockhead uses that tactic, either.