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Which of These Candidate Should Win?
Poll ended at 06 Nov 2012, 5:10 pm
Barack Obama, Joe Biden (Democratic Party) 50%  50%  [ 56 ]
Jill Stein, Cheri Honkala (Green Party) 10%  10%  [ 11 ]
Gary Johnson, Jim Gray (Libertarian Party) 12%  12%  [ 13 ]
Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan (Republican Party) 19%  19%  [ 21 ]
Other Write-In Candidate: ________________ (Please Detail Below) 10%  10%  [ 11 ]
Total votes : 112

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07 Nov 2012, 4:21 pm

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You didn't answer my question.


Because the answer is irrelevant.
Did I not already say so?
Feels like I'm repeating myself here...
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If I felt the question was irrelevant, would I have asked it in the first place?



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07 Nov 2012, 4:28 pm

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If I felt the question was irrelevant, would I have asked it in the first place?


No. But now you know better, so you can do better.



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07 Nov 2012, 5:10 pm

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If I felt the question was irrelevant, would I have asked it in the first place?


No. But now you know better, so you can do better.


Fine, I'll ask a different question. Why do leftists always dodge questions?



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07 Nov 2012, 10:22 pm

OMG, Obama means more debt. Because you know, the US had absolutely no debt before Obama.

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So you're a racist?

No, I voted against the wealthy white protestant slave-owner culture -- I voted against racism.


The number of white people who belong to "white protestant slave-owner culture" is currently very low. So, claiming that Fnord "hates whites" just because of him taking the reasonable stance of not liking slave-owner culture is a bit ridiculous.


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07 Nov 2012, 10:35 pm

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I also hate those people (black, white, or otherwise) who would maintain the culture of racist domination and sexist repression that was first established in this country back in 1776 by a group of wealthy, white, slave-owning, protestant men -- men who denied the right to vote to women, Catholics, Jews, non-whites, and the landless poor and called it "Christian Values" -- men whom we now refer to as "America's Founding Fathers".

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There was slavery in the Colonies prior to the American Revolution. Slavery in what was to become the United States goes all the way back to 1620. In those days the Colonists were British.

Britain was a slave holding nation until 1832. They did it without bloodshed.

The U.S. finally abolished slavery in 1865 following a horrendous Civil War.

Half the delegates to the Constitutional Convention were from the North and they tended to be anti-slavery.

Slavery was the price that was paid to get all the former Colonies to unite.

It was finally undone after the Civil War.

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07 Nov 2012, 10:48 pm

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08 Nov 2012, 8:30 am

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Fine, I'll ask a different question. Why do leftists always dodge questions?


This question is based on the premise that leftists DO, in fact, dodge questions. As I reject that premise, any answer I gave would be a lie.



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09 Nov 2012, 5:24 pm

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None of the above. We should crash the system and reboot it in such a way that it runs better.

American politics is an abomination.

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Here's an overhaul to the f**ked-up system:

1. Repeal the 17th Amendment. Senators were originally appointed by the states, with the House being directly elected. Now, senators are no more than glorified congressmen. The whole idea was that the House would represent the interests of the American people while the Senate represented the interests of the state governments. Thanks to the 17th Amendment, none of the states has any official representation in Washington. (i.e., if Canada has a beef with America, they have a representative--the ambassador from Canada--to speak with our State Department and smooth things over. But if the state of Oregon has issue with Congress? There's no "ambassador from Oregon" to take the case--both senators are directly elected along with however many congressmen they have. There's currently no specific representative to smooth things over with Congress.)

2. Abolish the Electoral College and switch to a parliamentary model. Our electoral system shows nothing but how uninformed half of American voters are. Just because someone has a nice head of hair and doesn't sweat much on camera doesn't qualify them to be President (I'm looking at you, Obama). Instead, have the House (elected by the people) nominate someone to serve as commander-in-chief while the Senate (appointed by the states) confirms that nomination. Under this system, both the people and state governments would have a say in who serves as President. This plan also focuses the voters on the one body in Washington where the power truly lies--the House of Representatives. We will be able to completely alter the complexion of our government every two years instead of every four years just by changing the makeup of the House. That body has the sole power to originate all tax bills and all spending bills. Why focus on a beauty contest where candidates throw millions of dollars around to get elected to a job that only pays $400,000 a year over four years when we can focus on the races where real differences can be made?

3. Term limits. Under this new parliamentary system, the President gets only a six-year term--after that, he can't serve anymore. Congressmen three terms--six years--in office, then they have to go home and earn an honest living. Senators? Give them two terms in office, then send them back home while the states appoint new blood. We need statesmen, scientists, and engineers in office, not career politicians!

4. Abolish ballot-access laws. Nowhere in our Constitution are political parties mentioned--why have these unjust laws?

5. With the switch to a parliamentary system, set up a turkey as a symbolic figurehead. Make the turkey our new national bird. Ben Franklin had the right idea--the bald eagle, like Democrats, Republicans, and their special-interest cronies, lives by sharping and robbing, thus making it a bird of bad moral character. Turkeys are pure. They're just. And unlike eagles, they're delicious. This turkey would get presidential pardons every Thanksgiving until it dies (I have no idea how long turkeys typically live). After that point (Barring any disease), the turkey gets eaten and a new turkey is appointed.