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21 Apr 2013, 11:02 am

ruveyn wrote:
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I have my own knowledge set in my head and I adhere to that rather than your knwoedge set



People who believe they are Napoleon of Jesus Christ could make the same statement you just did.

How do you distinguish your beliefs from insanity?

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Well I haven't been sectioned yet :wink:

my beliefs, like most peoples', tend to be sufficiently rational to not cause concern to others

everyone has their own knowledge set anyway - how can everyone walk around with all there is to know in their head?

knowledge is data and information you take in from the outside world



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21 Apr 2013, 11:12 am

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knowledge is data and information you take in from the outside world


If so, that eliminates God who has successfully played peek-a-boo with the human race from day uno.

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21 Apr 2013, 11:22 am

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knowledge is data and information you take in from the outside world


If so, that eliminates God who has successfully played peek-a-boo with the human race from day uno.

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God is there if you believe in him and want him to be there - it's a personal choice

No one's forcing you to believe in God if you don't want to

I don't see why you need to take such an aggressive stance towards those who feel their life is improved by
having God in it

God it beyond rationality - that's why the people who need physical proof get so worked up

God is in his own category and you either accept that category or you don't - it's entirely up to the individual

CS Lewis was an atheist but later became a believer and he wasn't a stupid person

http://thenarniaacademy.org/article_conversion.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/questionofgod/ownwords/joy.html



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21 Apr 2013, 12:57 pm

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23 Apr 2013, 11:49 am

nessa238 wrote:
God is there if you believe in him and want him to be there - it's a personal choice


So God isn't there if you don't want him to be?

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No one's forcing you to believe in God if you don't want to


No. But thousands of children are raised with this belief before they have a choice. Even now, there are still many places that don't allow gay marriage, or abortion. And there's also the harassment factor - I've never been woken up on a Sunday by people wanting to tell me the good news about atheism.

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I don't see why you need to take such an aggressive stance towards those who feel their life is improved by
having God in it.


Most of us don't. It's those that push God on others that cause offence.

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God it beyond rationality - that's why the people who need physical proof get so worked up


Yes, God is an irrational belief. But he's not beyond rationality - he just isn't rational.

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God is in his own category and you either accept that category or you don't - it's entirely up to the individual


Fallacy #1: Special Pleading

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CS Lewis was an atheist but later became a believer and he wasn't a stupid person


Fallacy #2: Argument From Authority



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23 Apr 2013, 12:16 pm

Thom_Fuleri wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
God is there if you believe in him and want him to be there - it's a personal choice


So God isn't there if you don't want him to be?

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No one's forcing you to believe in God if you don't want to


No. But thousands of children are raised with this belief before they have a choice. Even now, there are still many places that don't allow gay marriage, or abortion. And there's also the harassment factor - I've never been woken up on a Sunday by people wanting to tell me the good news about atheism.

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I don't see why you need to take such an aggressive stance towards those who feel their life is improved by
having God in it.


Most of us don't. It's those that push God on others that cause offence.

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God it beyond rationality - that's why the people who need physical proof get so worked up


Yes, God is an irrational belief. But he's not beyond rationality - he just isn't rational.

Quote:
God is in his own category and you either accept that category or you don't - it's entirely up to the individual


Fallacy #1: Special Pleading

Quote:
CS Lewis was an atheist but later became a believer and he wasn't a stupid person


Fallacy #2: Argument From Authority



I haven't pushed God on anyone - I was specifically asked questions, which I answered with information

I have no wish to convert anyone



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23 Apr 2013, 3:26 pm

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I believe in God.

So many of the religion threads on this forum boil down to this one argument. The one in this subject title.
Because I believe in God, in order to satisfy my intellect I have to have an answer to it.

So ladies and gentlemen of the WrongPlanet forum;
Why did God place us in this world, and then hide Himself from us?


SHHHHHHHH!! !! !! !

perhaps the Unmighty is skittish....if you talk too loud you might scare hesheit.



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23 Apr 2013, 5:17 pm

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I haven't pushed God on anyone - I was specifically asked questions, which I answered with information.
I have no wish to convert anyone.


That is fine. Alas, there are some that DO push God on anyone they can, often in some misguided attempt to convert the heathens. I'm not sure whether they really think they can sway opinion with their arguments, not realising that these arguments have been heard a hundred times before and still don't work, or if they're just trolling. There are only two ways anyone has ever become religious - they were either raised that way, or they went through a personal revelation. No Christian ever became such through logical debate alone.

The words "I'm a Christian" can trigger a sort of Pavlovian response - because they often come before a torrent of evangelism. Not always, but often enough to raise the shields and arm the photon torpedoes. Pentecostals on the starboard bow, captain!



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23 Apr 2013, 5:23 pm

Thom_Fuleri wrote:
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I haven't pushed God on anyone - I was specifically asked questions, which I answered with information.
I have no wish to convert anyone.


That is fine. Alas, there are some that DO push God on anyone they can, often in some misguided attempt to convert the heathens. I'm not sure whether they really think they can sway opinion with their arguments, not realising that these arguments have been heard a hundred times before and still don't work, or if they're just trolling. There are only two ways anyone has ever become religious - they were either raised that way, or they went through a personal revelation. No Christian ever became such through logical debate alone.

The words "I'm a Christian" can trigger a sort of Pavlovian response - because they often come before a torrent of evangelism. Not always, but often enough to raise the shields and arm the photon torpedoes. Pentecostals on the starboard bow, captain!


Well you must be hanging around with a lot of these types of people in the first place to be receiving all these attempts at conversion.

No one's ever attempted it on me so you must be making yourself in some way condusive to it. Where exactly are you meeting all these people?



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24 Apr 2013, 12:41 am

ripped wrote:
I believe in God.

So many of the religion threads on this forum boil down to this one argument. The one in this subject title.
Because I believe in God, in order to satisfy my intellect I have to have an answer to it.

So ladies and gentlemen of the WrongPlanet forum;
Why did God place us in this world, and then hide Himself from us?


SHHHHHHHH!! !! !! !

perhaps the Unmighty is skittish....if you talk too loud you might scare hesheit.



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24 Apr 2013, 1:03 pm

Have you seen what people do to things that they don't understand? If I were god, I would be keeping my distance too. People are nuts, though that makes them very entertaining to watch.



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24 Apr 2013, 5:35 pm

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Have you seen what people do to things that they don't understand? If I were god, I would be keeping my distance too. People are nuts, though that makes them very entertaining to watch.

One MINOR quip I have w/my "fellow" though idgaf atheists is spelling God w/lowercase g.

It's a semantic/grammatical issue for me, also I dislike disrespect and confrontation and generally being a douche.

Okay, I don't believe in Yahweh,Thor, and the Roman pantheon.

It's obvious that it doesn't matter they are all mythical (no offense) to me, so I analyze belief as part of culture.
Its not like "IS GOD REAL OR NOT?""HAHAHA YOU SO STUPID"
...no, it's emotionally neutral except at certain intersections of thought.

Disrespect shows that you are not looking at fact emotionally neutrally...or maybe it is just perceived that way.


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24 Apr 2013, 7:23 pm

Respect for religion should be a matter of choice, not something demanded.



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29 Apr 2013, 12:38 pm

MCalavera wrote:
Respect for religion should be a matter of choice, not something demanded.


Actually, I think this is backwards. I will respect the believer on their own merits. I should, however, be entirely welcome to laugh at whatever nonsense they believe in. Otherwise everyone should respect my belief that I am the reincarnation of Jesus and give me all their money.



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29 Apr 2013, 12:50 pm

muslimmetalhead wrote:
PsychoSarah wrote:
Have you seen what people do to things that they don't understand? If I were god, I would be keeping my distance too. People are nuts, though that makes them very entertaining to watch.

One MINOR quip I have w/my "fellow" though idgaf atheists is spelling God w/lowercase g.

It's a semantic/grammatical issue for me, also I dislike disrespect and confrontation and generally being a douche.

Okay, I don't believe in Yahweh,Thor, and the Roman pantheon.

It's obvious that it doesn't matter they are all mythical (no offense) to me, so I analyze belief as part of culture.
Its not like "IS GOD REAL OR NOT?""HAHAHA YOU SO STUPID"
...no, it's emotionally neutral except at certain intersections of thought.

Disrespect shows that you are not looking at fact emotionally neutrally...or maybe it is just perceived that way.


Someone needs to not take every joke to heart. Also, "god" isn't so much a name as a position. You don't capitilize police officer, so why do it with god? By the way, Yahweh is the Hebrew word for god. By saying you do not believe in him, you are saying you don't believe in god.