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11 Jan 2014, 5:04 pm

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Ahem.

2 individuals were fired in the so-called "Donglegate" - Where do they find these labels? :roll:

The first was an (unnamed) employee of Playhaven. He was fired for making inappropriate comments at PyCon.
http://blog.playhaven.com/addressing-pycon/

The second was Adria Richards herself, an employee of Sendgrid. She was fired for failing to to do her job (instead of uniting the developer community - which was her job function - she divided it instead).
http://sendgrid.com/blog/a-difficult-situation/

Anyway, some back-story on Adria Richards. Apparently, she is a repeat take-offender. No wonder she got fired.
http://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/


My mistake, I thought both of the men who's picture she tweeted had been fired, and it was them who I was referring to, not Richards herself. My point is that most people would not consider joking about forking code and dongles to the guy standing next to you at a tech conference to be grounds for discipline, let alone termination, and that Richards created the entire situation by over reacting and blowing everything up on twitter. I was asking LKL to clarify if she thought that what happened was just and right and appropriate, as she was implying that she thought it was in her response to another poster.


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12 Jan 2014, 2:30 am

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They are if you're saying 'a woman doesn't have the strength to carry a 20 lb object.'

The thing is, you don't usually go charging around a battlefield with a baby.

No, you go charging around the battlefield with other 20-lb objects; you go charging over hill and dale with a baby to find grub. The question wasn't about attitude; it was about physical ability to carry weight.

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A youtube video isn't convincing enough for me. Preferably you'd show me a rigorously-conducted, peer-reviewed study on the topic, but I'd be willing to accept less. Got anything better than a youtube video? You're talking to a scientist, as it were. We have rather high standards of evidence.

Valid.
Here are a few more links, some more scientific than others, but all better than youtube:
http://www.livescience.com/42318-women-pullups.html
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/grace/educati ... ravity.pdf
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 852AAa9OPA
http://blog.sciencegeekgirl.com/2011/02 ... an-repost/
anecdotally, I've heard that women used to be required to do more sit-ups than men because of their relatively lower center of gravity; everything I've found on google says that the requirement is now equal. Something that *doesn't* sit well with me is that women are allowed to have slower run times than men; especially in the longer distances, they should be the same.
Also fwiw, I saw several articles chalking the pull-up difference to the greater percentages of body fat naturally carried by women. Great if you're starving, but that's not all that common in combat afaIk.

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The fact that the IDF doesn't have scores of female grunts running around suggests to me that it's ultimately physical rather than sexist reasons. That said...they DO have scores of women running around as pilots, snipers, combat medics, etc. I get the feeling the reason is because those are the roles women are more than capable of excelling at.

Another anecdote: the story I heard behind this was that the men got too hot under the collar when the Sabras got shot, back when Israel actually tried what you suggest a couple of years {edit: decades} ago. Ie, not that the women couldn't hack it, but that the men overreacted to seeing women die in combat.

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Something that I was thinking about yesterday afternoon, which I realized that I'd forgotten to mention and should: where upper body strength does make a dramatic difference is hitting and throwing: i.e., primitive hand-to-hand combat. For every extra little bit of arm/shoulder strength a man has, a woman has to be that much more skilled of a fighter than he is in order to come out equal.

Fortunately for women in this case, hand to hand combat isn't incredibly common in modern warfare.
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But it does explain why you don't see a lot of women in Navy Seal units or Special Forces, et. all.



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12 Jan 2014, 2:32 am

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Honey, those guys weren't sacked because of Adria Richards' actions, they were sacked because she reported their actions.


So, do you think it was appropriate for those men to be fired for making that joke in that context? I think the point is that most reasonable people do not think that was justified.

No, actually, I don't. However, I take issue to the supposition that the men were blameless and that Richards' actions "got them fired."



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12 Jan 2014, 2:44 am

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A sizable post.


Right, I'll have a look through that, but probably not until tomorrow. Thanks for taking the time to produce some decent evidence.



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12 Jan 2014, 11:12 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjF6LJ6L0c8[/youtube]

Outlines some radical ideas concerning responsibility for pregnancy and childbirth and the lack of options and rights open to men with respect to controlling their fertility. Looks at how the lack of choice available to men leads directly to family breakdown.

• Women, abortion and the contraceptive pill
• Male pill and it's impact on men's rights
• Fathers duped into fatherhood
• "Casual sex into Cashflow sex" (Amy Alkon)
• Single mothers and poor choices


part 2
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part 3

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12 Jan 2014, 3:41 pm

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Dont forget snipers!


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13 Jan 2014, 11:50 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP9Jl13e32E[/youtube]


"On the vindictiveness and greed of women during divorce and why this behaviour is supported by the legal industry, business and government."



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yzUECFwU3U[/youtube]

Dr. Helen Smith joins Steve to discuss her new book, "MEN ON STRIKE WHY MEN ARE BOYCOTTING MARRIAGE, FATHERHOOD, AND THE AMERICAN DREAM - AND WHY IT MATTERS," on how American society has become anti-male and men are sensing the backlash and both consciously and unconsciously going "on strike."


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13 Jan 2014, 4:15 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvBt7Ry16uM[/youtube]

On the increasing prevalence of false accusations made by women against men in the areas of rape, domestic violence and child sexual abuse. Looks at the tragic consequences for men as their lives are destroyed by lying women, with many even driven to suicide by the false allegations.

This film is part of a Bitesize series of short clips that looks at individual elements of Feminism, Equality and Misandry in society.


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14 Jan 2014, 5:00 am

@ sephardic-male.

If you intend to actually make any *statements* in this thread, then please do so.

Simply posting countless YouTube videos without explaining relevance to the thread or adding any meaningful summaries (not just copy/paste of video descriptions on YouTube) is tantamount to spamming.



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14 Jan 2014, 6:19 am

Patriarchy is the illuminati and a secret society ruled by men! They do what it takes to keep women down and their main headquarters is in area 51 along with the aliens!


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14 Jan 2014, 7:40 am

Thread should be locked because OP doesn't respond to comments, just bumps the thread with irrelevant videos.


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14 Jan 2014, 9:20 am

Feminist Censorship using false allegations and notice the label "hate group" when you don't agree with feminists

http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/uni ... s-program/

Administration officials at the University of South Australia have essentially pulled the plug on the Male Studies initiative at that school, effectively bringing years of academic preparation to a sudden halt. The school made the decision after a flurry of false allegations were made by journalist Tory Shepherd in the online magazine Adelaide Now.

Shepherd falsely reported that the Male Studies group had ties to “hate groups,” one of them being A Voice for men. Her article, which misleadingly suggested a connection between the Male Studies group and the A Voice for Men website, also claimed that the A Voice for Men organization had been declared a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. That claim is false. Indeed, the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Arthur Goldwag made public statements expressing the fact that no such designation about A Voice for Men had ever been made.


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14 Jan 2014, 11:49 am

While it's true that they didn't label the men's rights movement a hate movement. They highlighted the hate and the promotion of illegal activity within the movement and for that there is ample evidence. In this, they document the more violent aspects of the ideology (such as the harrassment campaigns, domestic terrorism, self-immolation and mass shootings) and how the mainstream MRM encourages it:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... r-on-women

The SPLC has conducted some very in depth and well researched studies that refute many of the MRA movement's biggest claims with actual statistical data (something the OP has difficulty with):
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... bout-women

and here's a handy breakdown on many of the major MRA sites/organizations and some of the ridiculous stuff they've said:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... -the-sites

I suspect most of you guys will find these studies more credible and easier to verify than some random angry dudes on youtube.



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14 Jan 2014, 5:14 pm

Sephardic male, even when you provide a link, you need to use quotation marks (" ") or a quote block when you cut and paste from someone else's writing. Otherwise, it looks like you're either trying to claim credit for words that aren't yours (ie, plagiarizing), or you're trying to get around the rules against spamming without adding your own content.



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21 Jan 2014, 8:38 am

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A sizable post.


Right, I'll have a look through that, but probably not until tomorrow. Thanks for taking the time to produce some decent evidence.


Looked through the links, and it certainly seems as if women have some pretty awesome gymnastic abilities, but as to whether or not this translates into combat effectiveness? A much different question. To be honest, I think that a rigorous, peer-reviewed study should be done on this to put the question to rest once and for all, if some clever scientist could figure out the right experiments to perform.



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22 Jan 2014, 1:41 am

I think that it probably really depends on the type of combat, the gear required, etc.